From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18308: 24.4.50; Info viewer cannot follow menu entry for '(texinfo) @- @hyphenation' Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:53:55 GMT Message-ID: <201409012153.s81LrtTi021549__46969.5693384439$1409608472$gmane$org@freefriends.org> References: <80bnre44fc.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409608472 8438 80.91.229.3 (1 Sep 2014 21:54:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:54:32 +0000 (UTC) To: vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, 18308@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-texinfo@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 01 23:54:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZYN-0005rR-79 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 23:54:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34158 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZYM-0004uh-Tb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:54:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36625) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZYA-0004ki-Gp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:54:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZY3-0003X6-Kh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:54:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36163) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZY3-0003X2-HJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZY3-0007FP-8q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:54:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 21:54:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18308 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18308-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18308.140960844027837 (code B ref 18308); Mon, 01 Sep 2014 21:54:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18308) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2014 21:54:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55958 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZY0-0007Eu-BX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([66.54.153.139]:53905 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOZXx-0007Ek-Gj for 18308@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:53:58 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Original-Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s81Lrtbd021552; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 15:53:56 -0600 Original-Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.9/8.14.9/submit) id s81LrtTi021549; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:53:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: nobody set sender to karl@freefriends.org using -f In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:92945 Archived-At: > use exactly the same >> node names whatever the language, so that the > same link can be used, and >> when the manual is compiled to multifile > HTML, you have the same file >> tree whatever the language. > Seems Currently the usual practice is that a translated document is just another document with some -xx ending in the base name (where xx refers to the language, e.g. fr for French). True. In my opinion an alternative method would be that translated document should rather bare exactly the same name but just be in a language specific directory named xx, with some fall backs to another language No question that that is a well-known alternative approach. * Translated node name: true node name. Some description @node true node name and the viewer is supposed to show only "Translated node name". As Gavin says, that is not correct. Both parts of the node name are intended to be shown. The existing use of this feature is to make short menu item abbreviations, e.g., for the sake of completion or just ease of reading. For example, in the Texinfo manual, the HTML Cross References section has a @menu like this: @menu * Link Basics: HTML Xref Link Basics. * Node Expansion: HTML Xref Node Name Expansion. .. Whatever such a hypothetical texinfo-light needs to do, fine. We should think about that separately. It need not affect what Texinfo does. Seems like two very different cases to me. Let's not try to shoehorn existing Texinfo features into things that are far outside their intent and practice. A discussion of such a texinfo-light (not a name I would advocate, either) should presumably take place on emacs-devel, not in a debian bug for Texinfo. k