From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Mini Manual (PART 3) - CUSTOMIZING AND EXTENDING EMACS Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:11:44 -0600 Message-ID: <20140709200440616476125@bob.proulx.com> References: <5eaf0440-3124-4d89-bd20-ddada9a3db12@googlegroups.com> <87r425qi4t.fsf@debian.uxu> <619ae998-2ce5-428d-bec7-a654427b81d0@googlegroups.com> <87k37nzy2q.fsf@debian.uxu> <87ion71r98.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1404958337 9439 80.91.229.3 (10 Jul 2014 02:12:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:12:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 10 04:12:10 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X53qD-0001kc-Ui for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 04:12:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35169 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X53qD-0003fp-2O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:12:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34968) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X53pw-0003eV-24 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:11:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X53pp-0000Ny-TO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:11:51 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:55222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X53pp-0000Ne-Mu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:11:45 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8702721226 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 68F212DC25; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87ion71r98.fsf@debian.uxu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98612 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg wrote: > Well, this is actually not the case as was recently > discussed in another thread. With 'info Emacs' I get > the Emacs FAQ, not the manual. There was mention of > some bad blood between the Emacs people and the Debian > people, who considered the Emacs manual non-free (no idea > why). The problem can be summarized as the manual used a non-free license with the hope that it would encourage a print shop to print and sell physical copies of the manual. But the result is one of unintended consequences. Instead of encouraging documentation proliferation it has the opposite of restricting the flow of it. Please see this for the details of the reasons. http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 > I have of course access to the non-free repos, but > there is no emacs-doc like with gcc which documentation > (the manpage) Debian also has issues with. > > Wait - I think I got it, it is probably > emacs24-common-non-dfsg, right? DFSG is "Debian Free > Software Guidelines". Right. emacs24-common-non-dfsg is the package. Simply install it from the non-free section. It is sad that two of the most freedom promoting organizations are at opposite ends of this documentation issue. Both are principled. But with slightly different principles. > Well, should and should... I'm not going to read it on > the screen by the computer, that's for sure. I do read most of the documentation on the screen. However I don't find it as good as a printed book. Therefore I have a *lot* of printed books! > Alright, I'll do it. I know you contributed to it so > I'll just blame you for everything I don't like. But > actually I think I'll like all or most of it. I am still chuckling over this comment of yours. Nicely done. :-) Bob