From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:50:57 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20140301215057.GA19461@thyrsus.com> References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87sir336qn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393710699 8569 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2014 21:51:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 01 22:51:48 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WJroy-0007ST-Jl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 22:51:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60962 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJroy-0007WK-8S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:51:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49198) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJros-0007W8-B1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:51:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJroo-0005T0-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:51:42 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:34344 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJrof-0005QH-Mc; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:51:29 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 439CF38073E; Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:50:58 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170031 Archived-At: Richard Stallman : > What the developers of LLVM are doing is foolish given > that we already had GCC: LLVM got off the ground because GCC, by policy, refused to provide interfaces that some toolmakers wanted. Consequently, those hackers exercised their freedom by going around GCC rather than through it. That may lead to an outcome you don't like, but they could with precisely equal justification call *you* foolish for crippling GCC by policy. Generally, if you use the term "foolish" for people who are acting intelligently to pursue their own objectives rather than yours, you will mislead yourself and not affect them at all. -- Eric S. Raymond