From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Repo cpnversion progress report Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:23:22 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20140131192322.GB18170@thyrsus.com> References: <20140130195557.GA8405@thyrsus.com> <83iot16u66.fsf@gnu.org> <20140130214201.GA9204@thyrsus.com> <83ha8k7fp0.fsf@gnu.org> <87iot0f481.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391196213 24368 80.91.229.3 (31 Jan 2014 19:23:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 31 20:23:41 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Jgi-0007hd-Hv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 20:23:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57672 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Jgi-0001iM-19 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:23:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56023) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Jgb-0001gy-Bt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:23:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9JgW-0002f3-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:23:33 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:36993 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9JgR-0002ax-8j; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:23:23 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9DBA7380695; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:23:22 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169289 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero : > Well, do you at least agree with him when he says > > > I'm ignored already. You never accepted any argument of mine through > > that long and tiresome "discussion". You are always right and all > > those who disagree with you are always wrong. > > and > > > I never had any influence over that, because you refuse to listen > > to any dissenting arguments, and prefer to stubbornly do what you > > decided was right ahead of any discussion. Sigh. I wasn't going to go there, but....in fact I have already done several work items raised specifically by Eli. And have several more remaining on the transition list. A notable one is ensuring that Bazaar "fixes bug" metadata is preserved, something not true of the mirror now. I'm a very reasonable person about meeting requirements like that which are raised in a genuine attempt to improve the quality of the result. It's for sure no one else is going to do them for you. Being reasonable does not, however, mean I will put up with obstreperous bullshit. What I just quoted, from Juanma and Eli both, was obstreperous bullshit. That, I respond to by decreasing my willingness to pay attention to the bullshitter. So let me spell it out: Juanma, if you think you are not being listened to, you have only your own bad attitude to blame for that. Same goes for you, Eli. After enough pissy, semi-autistic territorial grunting I just start tuning all of it out. Conversely, you can earn my attention and increased willingness to do what you want by putting effort into helping with the work. You can begin an attempt to be helpful at any time you like. Here are some things you could do to help: 1. Identify the actual merge points of as many of the =-prefixed attic files as possible, so I can do the cleanup Andreas wants. 2. Spot CVS cliques consisting of uncoalesced single-file changes and their ChangeLog entry commits so I can squash them into proper changesets. 3. Investigate the old-branches and other-branches groups and determine which ones, if any, should be dicarded. 4. Report Bazaar and CVS references that aren't already in the emacs.lift file. Or, you can leave me to do all the work alone while flaming from the sidelines. If you choose that, don't blame anyone but yourselves if you think (wrongly) that you've had no influence on the result. -- Eric S. Raymond