Impossible to set org mode variable

Impossible to set org mode variable

[Rusi]

There is a variable org-odt-data-dir that I am trying to set for the org-mode exporter to work.  However I seem to be completely unable to make a setq or defvar or whatever do what it should.

Heres the scenario

emacs 23 C-h v
---------------
org-odt-data-dir is a variable defined in `org-version.el'.
Its value is "~/pdsw/org-mode/etc"

Documentation:
The location of ODT styles.
------------------
So far so good. This is what Ive set and what I want

Now emacs 24 C-h v
------------------
org-odt-data-dir is a variable defined in `org-version.el'.
Its value is "/usr/share/emacs/etc/org"

Documentation:
The location of ODT styles.

The even weirder thing is if I click the org-version link, I see

;;;###autoload
(defvar org-odt-data-dir "~/pdsw/org-mode/etc"
  "The location of ODT styles.")

Can someone explain whats going on

Re: Impossible to set org mode variable

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi,

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 09:58:05AM -0800, Rusi wrote:
> There is a variable org-odt-data-dir that I am trying to set for the org-mode exporter to work.  However I seem to be completely unable to make a setq or defvar or whatever do what it should.
> 
> Heres the scenario
> 
> emacs 23 C-h v
> ---------------
> org-odt-data-dir is a variable defined in `org-version.el'.
> Its value is "~/pdsw/org-mode/etc"
> 
> Documentation:
> The location of ODT styles.
> ------------------
> So far so good. This is what Ive set and what I want
> 
> Now emacs 24 C-h v
> ------------------
> org-odt-data-dir is a variable defined in `org-version.el'.
> Its value is "/usr/share/emacs/etc/org"
> 
> Documentation:
> The location of ODT styles.
> 
> The even weirder thing is if I click the org-version link, I see
> 
> ;;;###autoload
> (defvar org-odt-data-dir "~/pdsw/org-mode/etc"
>   "The location of ODT styles.")
> 
> Can someone explain whats going on

How do you compile Org?  As far as I'm aware, org-version.el is
autogenerated; so it would depend on how you compile Org.

That said, in my case I see consistent varlues, so I would be inclined
to think you have shadowing of Org libraries going on.  Again how you
are installing Org matters.  To verify the shadowing possibility
checkout this FAQ: <http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#mixed-install>

Hope this helps,

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

Re: Impossible to set org mode variable

[Rusi]

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:30:58 AM UTC+5:30, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> Hi,

> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 09:58:05AM -0800, Rusi wrote:
> > There is a variable org-odt-data-dir that I am trying to set for the org-mode exporter to work.  However I seem to be completely unable to make a setq or defvar or whatever do what it should.
> > Heres the scenario
> > emacs 23 C-h v
> > ---------------
> > org-odt-data-dir is a variable defined in `org-version.el'.
> > Its value is "~/pdsw/org-mode/etc"
> > Documentation:
> > The location of ODT styles.
> > ------------------
> > So far so good. This is what Ive set and what I want
> > Now emacs 24 C-h v
> > ------------------
> > org-odt-data-dir is a variable defined in `org-version.el'.
> > Its value is "/usr/share/emacs/etc/org"
> > Documentation:
> > The location of ODT styles.
> > The even weirder thing is if I click the org-version link, I see
> > ;;;###autoload
> > (defvar org-odt-data-dir "~/pdsw/org-mode/etc"
> >   "The location of ODT styles.")
> > Can someone explain whats going on

> How do you compile Org?  As far as I'm aware, org-version.el is
> autogenerated; so it would depend on how you compile Org.

> That said, in my case I see consistent varlues, so I would be inclined
> to think you have shadowing of Org libraries going on.

Of course.
Is it possible to use recent org without shadowing?

> Again how you
> are installing Org matters.  To verify the shadowing possibility
> checkout this FAQ: <http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#mixed-install>

Ok -- looked at that again.
1. Looked at all the shadows. As far as I can see in all cases my local org shadows the system one
2. Looked at org-version: It shows as
----------------
org-version is a variable defined in `org.el'.
Its value is "8.2.5e"

  This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable.

Documentation:
Not documented as a variable.
----------------
This looks a little suspect because it matches neither the good nor the bad in the wiki you linked!!

How I am installing org:

1. use git
2. make update
3. Point load path to the git-download-dir/lisp

From the make helpall output
make autoloads      - create org-loaddefs.el to load Org in-place

I assume that using org 'in-place' is allowable and legitimate?

Also the first line of the build system
http://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-build-system.html
says

http://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-build-system.html

Org can be run directly from sources but...

Maybe the but is a big but!?

Re: Impossible to set org mode variable

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi,

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:38:51PM -0800, Rusi wrote:
> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:30:58 AM UTC+5:30, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> 
> > How do you compile Org?  As far as I'm aware, org-version.el is
> > autogenerated; so it would depend on how you compile Org.
> 
> > That said, in my case I see consistent varlues, so I would be inclined
> > to think you have shadowing of Org libraries going on.
> 
> Of course.
> Is it possible to use recent org without shadowing?

Sorry, I mistyped slightly.  It should be incomplete shadowing; I
explain below.

> > Again how you
> > are installing Org matters.  To verify the shadowing possibility
> > checkout this FAQ: <http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#mixed-install>
> 
> Ok -- looked at that again.
> 1. Looked at all the shadows. As far as I can see in all cases my local org shadows the system one

Are there any system Org libraries *not* shadowed?  That would be make
this a typical mixed install problem.  All the old libraries should be
shadowed by the newer vesion.  So if "new" is a superset, you are good.
If there is an overlap, but not all, something is wrong.

> 2. Looked at org-version: It shows as
> ----------------
> org-version is a variable defined in `org.el'.
> Its value is "8.2.5e"
> 
>   This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable.
> 
> Documentation:
> Not documented as a variable.
> ----------------
> This looks a little suspect because it matches neither the good nor the bad in the wiki you linked!!

Indeed.  My Org as shipped with Emacs is 8.2.5.c (I updated yesterday).
Where as my Org from git is 8.2.5f (release_8.2.5f-511-gbf304c).  I
updated Org yesterday.

$ git describe
release_8.2.5f-511-gbf304c3

> How I am installing org:
> 
> 1. use git
> 2. make update
> 3. Point load path to the git-download-dir/lisp
> 
> From the make helpall output
> make autoloads      - create org-loaddefs.el to load Org in-place
> 
> I assume that using org 'in-place' is allowable and legitimate?
>

I do that myself.

$ git pull --rebase
$ make compile autoloads info # similar to update, I use this for historical reasons

Then point to the path in my init.el.  This last bit, you should do very
early in your init file.  Here is my setup to give you an idea (see line
18): <https://github.com/suvayu/.emacs.d/blob/master/init.el>.  You can
ignore the kill-old-org bit, it is experimental.

> Also the first line of the build system
> http://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-build-system.html
> says
> 
> http://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-build-system.html
> 
> Org can be run directly from sources but...
> 
> Maybe the but is a big but!?

Well I think now there is a target (make uncompiled) just to make it
easier to run from sources.  Many of the devs prefer this, creates nicer
backtraces.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.