From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Search StackOverflow and paste code snippets without leaving the edited file Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 00:41:10 +0100 Organization: WMI UAM Message-ID: <20140107004110.1e5cd594@aga-netbook> References: <871u0ni3nt.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87txdhg8xb.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389051692 21636 80.91.229.3 (6 Jan 2014 23:41:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:41:32 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 07 00:41:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Jnd-0000mm-HN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 00:41:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38101 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Jnc-0006qL-Us for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:41:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45109) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0JnM-0006qD-0J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:41:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0JnH-0003fN-BH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:41:19 -0500 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([2001:808:114:2::50]:33926) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0JnG-0003fJ-W2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:41:15 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A36270023 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 00:41:13 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id grKtF+LhbDIp for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 00:41:13 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from aga-netbook (101-138.echostar.pl [213.156.101.138]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F7A670011 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 00:41:13 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87txdhg8xb.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.17; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:808:114:2::50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95288 Archived-At: And two more afterthoughts (SCNR). Dnia 2014-01-06, o godz. 03:06:47 Emanuel Berg napisa=C5=82(a): > Second, that those sites are "mutually exclusive". This > is delirious. There is "ask Ubuntu" - but what is > Ubuntu? Ubuntu is Debian, and Debian is Linux, and > Linux is Unix, and Unix is software, and software is > achieved by programming... it is all interconnected, > and at several levels at that. Disagreed. Then, why do we teach algebra, combinatorics, analysis and set theory as different subjects at the university? Answer: this is technically easier, and some people just like algebra/analysis/whatnot more. And, there are i.e. some Ubuntu-specific questions, completely unrelated to, say, Gentoo or programming in general. > And this "artificial perfection" makes for frustration > because reality is never perfect, and when this > happens, which is all the time, if you can't decode it > for what it is (reality), you'll just be > frustrated. And this is why (you might have noticed) > that people are very fast at upvoting when some guy is > mastering some other guy, telling him his question > doesn't make sense, he posted in the "incorrect" site, > and so on. >=20 > That's why I like Usenet much more because here, when > you act like a moron, you are simply a moron, because > you are human, and you don't need to "recode" it in any > other way, claiming some other guy didn't stick to the > rules, bubbling about the nature of the site, etc. None of these ("artificial perfection", "one and only one correct answer" etc.) are commonly observed on TeX.SE. Maybe it's just a smaller community, and the site is not very formal. For instance, some time ago there was a discussion on TeX.SE about a particular style by one particular person. A newcomer (from SO) started to correct her posts (which are typed exclusively in lowercase). His corrections were promptly reverted, since it is a well-known person, and her usage of lower- and uppercase is a well-known habit, conveying concrete information (she uses uppercase iff she writes on behalf of the institution she works for). Yes, there is a rule that posts should be correct from grammatical point of view, but here the community decided to screw that rule for some clear reason, and everybody is fine. (Well, everybody was fine, apart from one guy from SO, who claimed that this particular rule was more important than what the community did. He found no supporters.) Another example: on the TeX.SE blog there are (from time to time) interviews with the most famous users. The interviews are conducted on the chat, and *every* user may ask a question. There's nothing like that at SO, AFAIK (podcasts are, I guess, a bit different thing - I've never listened to them, so this is a guess only). Why am I writing all this OT stuff here? One of the reasons is that I have to write that the Emacs community seems to me one of rather few internet communities with similar features as the TeX community: small, maybe even niche, but very friendly. Thank you all! Best, --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University