From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:45:34 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20140103174534.GC17261@thyrsus.com> References: <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <83wqiixqbb.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102172804.GB13245@thyrsus.com> <83vby2xo6x.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102183432.GB13506@thyrsus.com> <83sit6xgfg.fsf@gnu.org> <8761q18kni.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.org> <838uuxxsxu.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388771183 20130 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 17:46:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, Eli Zaretskii , Tassilo Horn To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 18:46:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8pK-000777-AJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:46:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51007 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8pJ-0004Ew-T2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:46:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60049) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8p6-0003uC-VD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:46:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8p2-0003jU-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:46:16 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:38633 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8ou-0003hh-VR; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:46:05 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4DF22380488; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:45:34 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167195 Archived-At: Leo Liu : > I think getting new blood into emacs devel is critical or we might find > ourselves in the same situation as bzr a few years later. +1 This is my fear as well. Switching to git is not sufficient to avert that outcome, but I think it is necessary. There are other things we need to do to let sunlight and fresh air into the room. The people who think of Emacs as a relic of bygone decades inhabited by graying neckbeards are not, alas, entirely wrong. And I say that as arguably one of the neckbeards myself... -- Eric S. Raymond