From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req. Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:29:49 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20140103172948.GA17261@thyrsus.com> References: <20140102095347.6834E381D0C@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <83wqiixqbb.fsf@gnu.org> <83ob3uxfr2.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqihdxsw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87ha9ltbxr.fsf@engster.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388770226 9660 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 17:30:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:30:26 +0000 (UTC) To: Bastien , Juanma Barranquero , Karl Fogel , Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier , Joakim Verona , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 18:30:32 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8Zm-0005Wh-7s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:30:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8Zl-0005xL-Pn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:30:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56887) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8Zd-0005ma-5L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:30:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8ZY-0007bD-TA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:30:17 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:38485 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8ZB-0007Dq-KA; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:29:49 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 13885380488; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:29:49 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87ha9ltbxr.fsf@engster.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167193 Archived-At: David Engster : > I predict there won't be a significant increase in new > contributions. The real hurdles to participate in Emacs development lie > elsewhere. It's not "or", but "and". The fact that there are other reasons contribution is difficult (and yes, I have a fairly long list in mind) does not mean that the friction losses inflicted by bzr are acceptable. We have direct testimony in this thread from two people who wanted to contribute but found bzr a crash landing. -- Eric S. Raymond