From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dale Snell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: .emacs poser Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:58:14 -0800 Organization: Organization? Me? ROFL!! Message-ID: <20131216185814.7066537f@zothique> References: <87wqj4p720.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> Reply-To: ddsnell@frontier.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387249118 27270 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2013 02:58:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:58:38 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 17 03:58:43 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vskrr-0005ra-Jd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:58:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59426 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vskrr-00066q-3T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:58:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49415) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VskrZ-00066f-3y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:58:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VskrS-0003a7-Ky for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:58:25 -0500 Original-Received: from filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.183.226]:52457) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VskrS-0003a2-Gv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:58:18 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3FC1040B2 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.168]) by localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id lDku6nDfrttn for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:58:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Originating-IP: [50.39.124.220] X-Previous-IP: 50.39.124.220 Original-Received: from zothique (50-39-124-220.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.39.124.220]) by relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A71232F908 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:58:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87wqj4p720.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 66.133.183.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95035 Archived-At: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:03:26 +0100 Emanuel Berg wrote: > Dale Snell writes: >=20 > > Registered =C2=AE and the Maltese Cross =E2=9C=A0. ("C-x 8 * R" > > and "C-x 8 * M", respectively, using iso-transl. I > > added both those characters myself. It's very easy.) >=20 > It might be easy to *add* such keystrokes, but they are > not easy to hit. We are typists, not accordion players. Once upon a time, in my mis-spent youth, I was. :-) That said, the only chord there is the C-x. The rest are a sequence of keystrokes. Err, well, on a US keyboard anyway. I can't speak for European keyboards. > Again, why would anyone need those chars on a regular > basis? (Not a rhetorical question!) It depends on what your use-case is. Personally, I type up a lot of recipes, which usually want a temperature setting. Hence I use the degree symbol (=C2=B0) a lot. I have occasional use for super- and sub-script characters, and the ever popular copyright (=C2=A9), trademark (=E2=84=A2), and registered trademark signs (=C2=AE). If I need anything more demanding, like en and em dashes, or primes instead of quotes, I'll fire up a text processor and go that way. Of course, in a purely text forum, like this, someone would undoubtedly complain if I were to attach the entire message as a PDF. There are certain organizations that want their documents written in a certain format, which may include Pilcrow and Section marks, and other such things. Happily, I don't deal with those. (Again, I'd use LaTeX or Groff for that.) > If you, in certain *words* need those chars, how about > using abbrev to do that for you? So you type the word > without the special char(s), and abbrev fixes it as you > hit space (or some other delimiter): e.g., you type > Marquez to get M=C3=A1rquez. That's limiting yourself. If you need accented characters, learn how to enter them in a general way, not just specific words. Then you can use them anywhere. As I mentioned in my previous post, check EmacsWiki for information about that. Anyway, these are all just my opinions. If you prefer a different way, more power to you. --Dale -- "The Enrichment Center reminds you that the Weighted Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the Weighted Companion Cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice."