From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:58:09 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131016185809.GC3125@acm.acm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvli1tqeyp.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Hello, Stefan.
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:59:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > With respect, that is not the topic of this thread. That topic is that
> > with electric-indent-mode enabled, there is now no command, also no
> > elisp function which has the traditional functionality of `newline'.
> Quick, without looking at the source code of newline: what does
> `newline' do that (insert "\n") or C-q C-j doesn't do?
The answer you're not looking for is "It inserts a newline, whilst doing
lots of Right Things on the previous line that I don't need to worry
about too much.", but it's my preferred answer.
Answering you literally, I think newline invokes filling, abbreviation
expansion and possibly other things, but (insert "\n") and C-q C-j
don't.
> > That is a significant loss to Emacs.
> I don't know what that is supposed to mean.
For one thing, it would prevent somebody using a mode with {e-i-m using
\n} and retaining the classical difference betweeen <ret> and C-j.
For another thing, it will stop lots of Emacs Lisp from working.
> Stefan
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-16 18:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-13 10:13 electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 14:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 16:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 17:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-14 12:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-16 18:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-15 18:28 ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 17:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 17:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-16 18:58 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2013-10-16 20:55 ` chad
2013-10-16 21:07 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-10-18 16:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 23:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-16 18:34 ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 19:26 ` Default behaviour of RET Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-16 23:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-17 0:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 17:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 19:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 20:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19 1:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-19 10:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19 15:07 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-20 14:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-20 22:26 ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-21 2:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-19 22:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 15:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 16:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 20:00 ` electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing Matthias Meulien
2013-10-14 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 13:31 ` Matthias Meulien
2013-10-14 16:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-15 15:54 ` Davis Herring
2013-10-15 20:03 ` Matthias Meulien
2013-10-16 2:44 ` Stefan Monnier
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