From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Ritsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:25:59 -0400 Message-ID: <20131014192559.GA10582@www> References: <5d0ea74d-527c-4c19-a9d6-596bec4a4c6b@googlegroups.com> <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> <87r4btl8e5.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <87a9igcbht.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> <20131012220155.GA20851@www> <8738o49kqv.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381778790 26466 80.91.229.3 (14 Oct 2013 19:26:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:26:30 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 14 21:26:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VVnmi-00025w-1M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:26:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38444 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VVnmh-00067K-JX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:26:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58309) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VVnmO-00067B-9X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:26:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VVnmF-00083E-Ts for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]:63284) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VVnmF-000837-O3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:26:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id aq17so11316205iec.20 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:26:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=aF4kAFRjvHpIgTbSll18MJlBu7bejHWOK0EttujPChI=; b=qcOD5Nb7P4i9K1Wv/aYFV1ox3Vg4mzsVmCYqyvlq5cag3PK2WTbLZATDg4DsJ0LEWn 6dnfyJKrLM0jf9X/8t096kAKXsk+JaH5QoClivc2Goe8hOcex4vFkSp/2gTKOx6O5wwI IuGTx/Tk+Cae7+hO3lxkL6vndiY3/NwskgSMa6eGZ0FcVx3vsC0u8EPuZEslNiyIGgVL g71rEpmVPzEHXfE7B/n6wsruNEMccWz4laS55dUoXiywBEPXEWtBC44fSM4Uz743iWGp fL0yL/AI8nt1gW5OSfiHLk04E6IPs5KlTh1NQ03zl+wcjyAW0LnG19KXYRRIItLOaiyn MQwQ== X-Received: by 10.50.117.103 with SMTP id kd7mr2214317igb.4.1381778762820; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from www (108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net. [108.208.64.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ih14sm21871570igb.7.2013.10.14.12.26.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8738o49kqv.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94014 Archived-At: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:04:24PM +0100, Phillip Lord wrote: > It's not that uncommon I suspect. I use vim for most systems > adminstration. I do as little sys admin as I can get away with, so I > don't use vim every day! The common refrain seems to be that people use vim over emacs on remote servers they don't control where it is usually installed by default, but I was referring to being willing to take the time to configure the programs themselves to be as useful as possible to me for whatever they are best at. Right now, that is strictly org-mode for emacs, and vim for most of my text-editing and coding. I'm not planning on dropping one for the other, but my assumption is that most people wouldn't want or have the time to configure both (especially if it's not possible to use either at work) and lose objectivity about using the best tool for the job. I want to avoid that.