From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Masatake YAMATO Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop-down menus, popup menus, and popup dialogs supported on TTYs Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:49:42 +0900 (JST) Organization: Red Hat Japan, Inc. Message-ID: <20131012.094942.227388769228804.yamato@redhat.com> References: <83r4brr7jk.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381539006 5461 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2013 00:50:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 00:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: dmoncayo@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 12 02:50:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUnPF-0007Am-GS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 02:50:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56669 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUnPF-0005if-2s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:50:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55403) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUnP7-0005f2-Dx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:50:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUnP2-0008A5-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:50:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:40732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUnOx-00089o-6z; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:49:51 -0400 Original-Received: from int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9C0nlRJ023204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:49:48 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (vpn-239-231.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.239.231]) by int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9C0nhYK014543; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:49:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.23 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164125 Archived-At: >>> I tried it already, but I saw that the old tmm menu is shown, instead >>> of the new drop-down menu. Why? >> >> That's what Masatake suggested, and everybody else agreed. > > I interpreted Masatake's suggestion as "if menu-bar-mode is off, make > F10 show the _menu_ temporarily", while _menu_ would obviously refer > to the new drop-down menu, which is supposed to replace to the old tmm > menu. If menu-bar-mode is off, making F10 show the drop-down menu temporarily (or on-demand) is nice. However, I know how difficult(for me) to implement such behavior because I tried it once for X11[1]. So I prepared the patch using tmm as temporarily solution; and I installed the patch. What we (you and I) want is Gregor Zattler suggested at [1]. However, I didn't installed it to the official tree because, it is not my patch and the expect behavior of on-demand drop-down menu is not discussed enough. As far as reading your post you may have much detailed but important requests about the behavior. Eli, in my interpretation, you don't object to introduce on-demand drop-down menu. However, you yourself doen't want it. Right? [1] The last comment at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-07/msg00415.html [2] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00281.html Masatake YAMATO > BTW: I think that F10 should also close a tmm menu if there is one > open (currently it does nothing in that situation). > > -- > Dani Moncayo