From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Tried to bind Ctrl-c and to kill-ring-save (i.e. copy) and it *sometimes* doesn't work with mouse!?!? Very confusing Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:37:38 -0600 Message-ID: <20130805203738.GC5734@hysteria.proulx.com> References: <79da6550-ceff-42d4-aaf9-991954847058@googlegroups.com> <87li4heetm.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <55f997e0-831c-45b3-923c-a5143b7507a3@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375735361 14968 80.91.229.3 (5 Aug 2013 20:42:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 20:42:41 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 05 22:42:43 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V6RXV-0002MO-HC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 22:38:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57834 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V6RXV-0005So-67 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:38:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49767) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V6RXG-0005Ou-8V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:37:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V6RXA-0002Kn-7w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:37:46 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:34625) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V6RXA-0002KW-0y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F22211D5 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E14A32DC5D; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55f997e0-831c-45b3-923c-a5143b7507a3@default> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92739 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > Emanuel Berg wrote: > > Also, it is best to drop mouse use entirely, for the same (and > > other) reasons. > > > > If you want to highlight a region, you can use M-h (repeatedly, if > > needed), or you can use C-SPC to set the mark, and then move the > > cursor with, for example, C-n/p. > > There you go again. That's silly (and irrelevant to the OP question). > > It is not "best" to *not* use the mouse to select text, just as it is > not "best" to *use* the mouse to select text. I must throw myself into Emanuel's camp on this. Because a person might ask me, "How can I use my gas powered lawn mower as a hedge trimmer." (Check Snopes.) I don't care if that is the OP's original question or not. I am most definitely not going to give them the answer to the question they have asked! I am however going to try to direct them as to a better way to do the task in a safe and efficient way doing it completely different from the way they have asked. I don't like cua mode either and I dread the inevitable day when it becomes the Emacs default setting. I have no problem with people using word for an editor because using other editors does not affect me. Right up until I am overwhelmed by users of other editors who cause changes to my editor which does affect me. Sigh. > For some selection use cases, nothing beats the Emacs mouse (which is > not your grandmother's mouse, BTW). For other use cases, keyboard > selection can be better. > ... > The real point, however, is that it is not necessarily the "best" idea > to advise newbies to adopt your particular preferences as the "best" > way to use Emacs. It is one thing to say "I prefer XYZ" or "I do it > this way". It is another thing to preach your way as The One True Way. > ... When people ask questions on the Internet they often get answers from the Internet. Some of those answers will be useful. Some will be less useful. Some will even be dangerous. This is well known. The onus is upon the reader to apply common sense to all. Because you don't know if the person answering is drunk in a pub or a skilled expert having given careful thought to the problem. And even if the latter the discussion may be confusing and unclear and applied incorrectly! In any case I think when people ask questions it is okay to make suggestions that go beyond the exact question they have asked and to try to influence them to do something in the way that helps them the most. Someone asked me a vi question the other day and I still told them how I did it in emacs. They were smart enough to understand the difference. Bob