From: Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal?
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 20:48:54 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130509024854.GA8176@hysteria.proulx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv38txc61w.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.help@gnu.org>
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > But emacs will always ask you if it should proceed due to that issue.
> > It will never do it automatically. It isn't intrinsically insecure.
>
> Well, that depends how paranoid you are. It used to be intrinsically
> insecure (only prompting the user for things known to be dicey) and has
> been improved over the years (always prompting unless told that it's
> safe), but there are so many variables marked as "safe" that might be
> used in unexpected ways by so many packages that "intrinsically secure"
> sounds naive.
I didn't say "intrinsically secure". I said, "It isn't intrinsically INsecure."
Which isn't the same thing. A couple of quotes come to mind.
"It is hard to make things foolproof because fools are so clever."
"You can make things foolproof. But you can't make them damn foolproof."
:-)
> More specifically, I'd be *very* surprised if there aren't any "big
> security holes" waiting to be exploited in Emacs.
Show me the bug report. Unless there is a bug report on *something*,
anything, then I call shenanigans and say it is nothing but spreading
FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt). Because just using the computer is a
security hole.
Which reminds me of another posting. There is only one truly secure
computer system.
http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/papers/a1-firewall/index.html
> Stefan "who uses Zile when running as root"
I don't know. I heard on the Internet that Zile has security
vulnerabilities. (Part of the FUD, counter-FUD, campaign. I really
don't have anything against Zile.)
Bob
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2013-05-05 3:43 ` Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Chad Brown
2013-05-07 18:17 ` Cecil Westerhof
2013-05-08 2:30 ` Hugh Lawson
2013-05-08 9:35 ` Nicolas Richard
2013-05-08 15:53 ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-08 20:51 ` Nicolas Richard
2013-05-08 21:08 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-22 11:01 ` Steinar Bang
2013-05-09 8:26 ` Peter Dyballa
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2013-05-08 23:21 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-09 8:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-05-09 8:38 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 13:39 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 15:26 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 15:35 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 18:50 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 18:58 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 19:01 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 19:09 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 19:04 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 19:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 19:27 ` Jai Dayal
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2013-05-09 19:09 ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-09 21:08 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11 4:01 ` PJ Weisberg
2013-05-11 14:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-11 14:45 ` Jai Dayal
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2013-05-09 21:58 ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-09 16:00 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-05-09 16:02 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 16:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 16:25 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 16:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 16:46 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 17:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 17:11 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 17:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 17:50 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-09 16:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2013-05-10 4:08 ` comint outside emacs (was Does anyone really use emacs in terminal?) rusi
2013-05-10 4:48 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 16:19 ` Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Hongxu Chen
2013-05-09 16:27 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11 18:13 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-05-11 18:14 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11 19:12 ` Peter Dyballa
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2013-05-11 20:14 ` Jay Belanger
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2013-05-11 21:40 ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-11 22:32 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11 23:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-05-12 8:30 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-12 8:44 ` Hongxu Chen
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2013-05-12 19:44 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-12 20:00 ` Dan Espen
2013-05-12 20:53 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-12 21:18 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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2013-05-12 22:40 ` Dan Espen
2013-05-13 1:23 ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-12 20:52 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-13 5:58 ` Jonathan Groll
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2013-05-11 22:41 ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-12 0:04 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-12 13:46 ` Jonathan Groll
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2013-05-12 0:09 ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-12 2:27 ` Dan Espen
2013-05-12 6:32 ` Jai Dayal
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2013-05-12 14:07 ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-09 16:17 ` Hongxu Chen
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2013-05-09 13:43 ` notbob
2013-05-09 15:57 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 16:53 ` Jay Belanger
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2013-05-08 16:51 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-08 19:49 ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-09 1:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-09 2:48 ` Bob Proulx [this message]
2013-05-09 7:25 ` Jonathan Groll
2013-05-09 9:08 ` Tamas Papp
2013-05-05 10:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-05-06 3:31 ` Jason White
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2013-05-08 10:22 ` Andrea Venturoli
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2013-05-06 13:13 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-06 15:29 ` Joost Kremers
2013-05-05 3:06 Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 3:58 ` Le Wang
2013-05-05 4:06 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 4:30 ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-05 4:33 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 5:38 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05 5:43 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 6:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-05-05 17:24 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-05-05 19:30 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 6:59 ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-05-05 14:27 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05 19:31 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 19:52 ` Mark Skilbeck
2013-05-05 4:32 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-08 12:51 ` Steinar Bang
2013-05-05 5:34 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05 5:39 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 4:04 ` XeCycle
2013-05-05 4:13 ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-05 4:17 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 4:36 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-05 5:42 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05 4:31 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05 4:39 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 4:41 ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 8:29 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-05 5:43 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05 5:46 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-09 11:50 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-05-05 6:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-05 8:21 ` eniotna
2013-05-06 10:20 ` Bastien
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