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From: Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:37:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130405113711.570a542f@anarchist> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87vc82unsw.fsf@gnu.org

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>Many people contribute to several projects and have to balance their
>time between them, and if contributing to one project is unpleasant for
>some reason, they may dedicate less of their time to it.

This isn't personal, but I generally find such complaints about vcs
unpleasantness as a barrier to contribution to be a red herring.  It's a fact
of life in today's FLOSS world that we have a universe of vcses (distributed
or otherwise) to contend with: git, hg, bzr, svn, cvs are all out there
holding the source code for projects I care about.  Add to that, the equally
wide variety of code hosting services and workflows those projects have
adopted.

If I have a nasty itch to scratch, I have to just suck it up and learn the
basics of all that in order to provide a patch or branch that is valuable
enough to upstream that they'll spend their very limited resources shepherding
my patch to successful landing.  Frankly, it's not all that hard to learn (or
re-learn each time ;) the basics of any of the vcses, and it's usually just a
very small part of the investment to contribute to a project.

I'm *much* more concerned about the workflow, efficiency, and comfort of the
project leaders, the people who are doing the bulk of the development work,
reviewing and accepting branches and patches, making releases, etc.  If
choosing CVS and Bugzilla makes their lives easier, go for it!  I can adapt.
And I should adapt because the work they put in far outweighs the work I put
in on the project.

In some ways, it's like the choice of programming language.  Okay, I don't
love Perl or C++ but if that's the project's choice, and I want to contribute
in ways big or small, I learn enough to do so.  But it seems unfair for me to
say "if you just ported everything to Python, I'd be much more willing to
contribute".  I have to ask myself, is that really true?

OTOH, the sentiments above do count, in the sense that as a contributor, you
are volunteering your time too.  Maybe you choose to only contribute to
projects that use Ruby on Mercurial and only run on Debian ARM devices.
As a volunteer, that's your prerogative.

-Barry

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-05 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-26 19:38 On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development John Wiegley
2013-03-26 19:42 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  1:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-02  0:31   ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  8:56     ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-02 13:30       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:02           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:44               ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 13:19     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-02 14:54     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:13       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 15:45         ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 16:21           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03  8:00             ` Miles Bader
2013-04-02 15:16       ` Christopher Schmidt
2013-04-02 15:47         ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:42       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-03-26 20:55 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-26 23:00   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27  4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-27  8:43   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27  9:13     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 15:49       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 16:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27 18:55           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 17:15     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 17:56       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27 18:32         ` John Yates
2013-03-27 20:25           ` Werner LEMBERG
2013-03-28  4:20           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  5:33             ` Leo Liu
2013-03-28  7:53             ` joakim
2013-03-28 12:21               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-03-28 18:59               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 21:10             ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29  3:48               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  3:53                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-29 18:05                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29 21:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  4:20         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:26           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-28 15:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 18:58             ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:26               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 19:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  3:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-27 18:48       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 20:27         ` Josh
2013-04-02  0:26       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  3:24         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-02  8:25           ` chad
2013-04-02 16:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:57               ` chad
2013-04-02 18:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 18:12                   ` chad
2013-04-02 12:30         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2013-04-02 14:02           ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 15:19           ` Jay Belanger
2013-04-02 19:27             ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:07               ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 21:34                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 23:20                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04  3:09                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  7:23                     ` Andreas Schwab
2013-04-04  7:53                       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05  2:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-05  6:46                     ` Leo Liu
2013-04-05 15:01                     ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-06 14:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 13:07   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  4:19     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:25       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 13:57       ` Bastien
2013-03-28 18:59         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:48           ` chad
2013-03-28 20:59           ` Bastien
2013-03-27  4:15 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Leo Liu
2013-03-31 22:01     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-03-31 23:00       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-03-31 23:40         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-04-01  0:50           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-01  5:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-01  6:36               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:59             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-01  8:33           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-01 17:47       ` John Wiegley
2013-04-02 19:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 19:28           ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-02 19:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 17:44           ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 18:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:44               ` joakim
2013-04-04 19:15                 ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 20:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:57               ` Sam Steingold
2013-04-04 20:48                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05  4:34                 ` Bastien
2013-04-05 10:46                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05 15:37                 ` Barry Warsaw [this message]
2013-04-06 23:03                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-07  1:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-07  5:22                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04 23:08               ` Stephen Leake
2013-04-04 23:58                 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-04-05  1:13                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-07  3:11                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-04-05  9:57               ` Julien Danjou
2013-04-05 14:55               ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-05 15:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05 15:21                   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-04-02 22:00         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-03-27  8:55   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 14:10   ` John Wiegley
2013-03-27 16:54     ` Romain Francoise
2013-03-27 14:52   ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  7:53 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-27  9:09 ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27  9:56   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 10:36     ` David Engster
2013-03-27 12:51       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 12:55       ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27 13:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-27 13:58           ` David Engster
2013-03-27 23:13           ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-27 23:16             ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  3:26               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-28  8:37                 ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  9:15                   ` Andreas Schwab
2013-03-28  9:07                 ` David Engster
2013-03-28  9:55                   ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Christopher Schmidt
2013-03-28 10:55                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 18:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 20:09                         ` Aidan Gauland
2013-03-28 21:00                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29  3:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  6:36                             ` Paul Eggert
2013-03-29 20:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 23:44                         ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29  3:48                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  8:02                             ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29  9:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 14:20                               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-29 23:06                                 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29 18:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 11:05                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Carsten Dominik
2013-03-28 11:44                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-03-28 11:56                       ` Abolishing ChangeLog files David Engster
2013-03-29  0:23                         ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 11:59                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 13:17                       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 23:58                       ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 12:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 16:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:20                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 17:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 21:04                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 21:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 22:42                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29  5:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:10                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:43                                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29  7:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  8:38                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29  9:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 10:11                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:50                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:11                                               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:00                                             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:41                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 22:15                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 15:07                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 15:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 15:58                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 17:16                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 20:58                                             ` chad
2013-03-29  6:43                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 20:58                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29 21:53                       ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-30  2:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-30  8:07                           ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-28 12:35                   ` On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:08                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29  7:00                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:14                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29 21:27                       ` joakim
2013-03-28  2:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  3:22               ` Kolo Rahl
2013-03-28 12:27                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  8:08               ` Stephen Leake

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