* bug#11440: E-Lisp manual - customization
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@ 2012-05-09 1:54 ` Andrew Kurn
2012-09-18 5:11 ` Chong Yidong
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From: Andrew Kurn @ 2012-05-09 1:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 11440
>
> (In E-Lisp) I find myself confused by the treatment of Customization and Faces . . .
>
> I find the chapter in the E-Lisp manual on /Customization/ problematic. It seems
> to be directed at the user-level and not programmer-level.
>
> Ideally, it should start out by saying what a customization is actually before
> it ever gets around to defining "Common Keywords" and other ad-hoc machinery.
> So, the first paragraph of the chapter should have a careful definition with
> links to the thingies that a customization is made of or works on.
>
> I would like a link to "user options" at least, and one to self-quoting
> variables (eg :slant) would help.
>
> ---
>
> Please tell me when customization takes place. Faces seem to be
> synthesized from customization data magically, in some way beyond
> my control.
>
>
> ---
>
> Similarly, the section /Faces/ in /Display/.
>
> I would start with /Attribute Functions/, so that the machinery that
> does the work is exposed, then /Standard Faces/ and /Face Attributes/
> so that we see what the machinery works on, then /Defining F/, which
> is customization, and attempts to insulate programmers from making
> mistakes.
>
> Inserting customization too early makes the exposition confusing,
> makes it hard to see what is fundamental. The mistake I made was modifying
> the customization properties of faces, rather than the faces themselves.
>
> (In my present mood, I would remove customization from Emacs completely,
> although I can imagine some would be upset. Still, I wonder what its
> real value is, how many actually need it and use it.)
>
> ---
>
> That's my rant for today,
>
> Andrew
>
>
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* bug#11440: E-Lisp manual - customization
2012-05-09 1:54 ` bug#11440: E-Lisp manual - customization Andrew Kurn
@ 2012-09-18 5:11 ` Chong Yidong
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From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-09-18 5:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew Kurn; +Cc: 11440
Andrew Kurn <kurn@sfu.ca> writes:
> I find the chapter in the E-Lisp manual on /Customization/
> problematic. It seems to be directed at the user-level and not
> programmer-level.
>
> Ideally, it should start out by saying what a customization is
>
> I would like a link to "user options" at least, and one to
> self-quoting variables (eg :slant) would help.
>
> Similarly, the section /Faces/ in /Display/.
> ...
> I would start with /Attribute Functions/
I've updated the manual to address most of these points.
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