From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Werner LEMBERG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: TUTORIAL.de updated Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:00:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20120120.060022.312018251.wl@gnu.org> References: <20120119.140203.338008870.wl@gnu.org> <83pqef4nrx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327035641 27428 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2012 05:00:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 05:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: parozusa@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: eliz@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 06:00:33 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro6aW-0007Dy-H3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:00:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52316 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro6aV-0000Vp-HM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:00:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro6aS-0000VZ-Gx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:00:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro6aR-0004bp-0B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:00:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:56913) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro6aQ-0004bj-Kl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:00:26 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Jan 2012 05:00:25 -0000 Original-Received: from 178-190-76-73.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO localhost) [178.190.76.73] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2012 06:00:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54312696 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19JeVdXnGxJ/S/Wl5p6YlCNoCBh5B8CJhGC1t/8ml 9SdaHM+9/IRWI/ In-Reply-To: <83pqef4nrx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.4rc1 on Emacs 24.0.92.1 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 213.165.64.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147754 Archived-At: >> Well, a typical US user doesn't need to know how to enter foreign >> languages, does she? > > Probably not, but then why does a German user need a lesson on how > to type German on her keyboard? It is not too uncommon that German users have a US keyboard because they are programming a lot. The characters [ ] { } are really awkward to type on a German keyboard. > Is a situation where a native German speaker learns to use Emacs on > a machine that doesn't already support German input on the OS level > anything but very rare? Well, on my GNU/Linux box, the Quail input methods for German offered by Emacs are better than SCIM. One main reason is that the latter disables the use of a `.XCompose' file, which is very bad for me. I don't know whether the successor of SCIM (I forgot its name) has fixed this. Regardless of the keyboard and input method issues, there are still three dominant encodings used in Germany and Austria, namely latin-1, windows-1252, and utf-8, and I consider it important that a user knows how to force an encoding in case Emacs fails to recognize it properly. As I said, the MULE section can be certainly improved :-) Werner