From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Warsaw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:14:08 -0400 Organization: Damn Crazy Followers of the Horn Message-ID: <20111013231408.5fde0aef@resist.wooz.org> References: <8762k095n4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83lissxj9a.fsf@gnu.org> <87k48by7ex.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r52jfbrw.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k48bf1q9.fsf@wanadoo.es> <871uuh25ef.fsf@ktravel.red-bean.com> <87mxd5pjec.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/_lXJtYVsz+wVWEXajnsTVNT"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318562076 13105 80.91.229.12 (14 Oct 2011 03:14:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 03:14:36 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 14 05:14:32 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1REYEB-0001gC-L6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:14:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42567 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REYEA-0002HK-Vb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:14:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REYE8-0002H3-1m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:14:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REYE6-0006C3-Vr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:14:28 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:57739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REYE6-0006Br-Kc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:14:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1REYE5-0001dE-Ms for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:14:25 +0200 Original-Received: from mail.wooz.org ([216.15.33.194]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:14:25 +0200 Original-Received: from barry by mail.wooz.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:14:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 66 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.wooz.org X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.6; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145191 Archived-At: --Sig_/_lXJtYVsz+wVWEXajnsTVNT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Oct 13, 2011, at 02:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Although the software is free, in practice the Bazaar project is a >wholly-owned subsidiary of a corporation that has used proprietary software >or ASP/SaaS based on undistributed software on a large scale in its produc= ts >(eg, Launchpad itself, proprietary at its launch but since freed, I believ= e). Launchpad is licensed under the AGPL, so yes, it is free software. >If the "Use GNU" policy is to make sense, I think the criterion >proposed by Vijay Lakshminarayanan should be applied: > > The reason to support GNU projects over others is that it is the > stated goal of GNU that all distributed software should be Free > .... To this end, any software project that shares the same goals > will be supported. > >I don't think that Bazaar fits Vijay's description well at all. It is >a commercial enterprise in support of the Launchpad product and >Canonical's consulting business first and foremost, and software >freedom hardly ever enters the discussion -- rather it is quite taken >for granted. Both Launchpad and Bazaar are free software. Both provide significant supp= ort for free software, the former by hosting many free software projects, and t= he latter by being the native dVCS for many free software projects. Developers of both systems actively care about the needs of free software developers, = and like most conscientious, honorable, dedicated, devoted, hard-working, and overworked free software developers, would do what they can within the resources they have to improve the support for other free software. -Barry --Sig_/_lXJtYVsz+wVWEXajnsTVNT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJOl6kAAAoJEBJutWOnSwa/pD0P/1N6LIEqDogUm57esuLQyxtn k8QRF/qAw3euHCmqavjGx8rqgPoA30WiXj6kAtXZM8zGYz847WGoLxIt8SGiwdv5 GYW48RaxBA37sW0zIsJ+HV8bx53aHpli99XB6mTTmB5/Q9uZVSLOmySa7bw7xyqS uWUZAXNi2OWcMwqFzBtNeGA/QjoKcLiovKJpVP/RwYxnWeI3Y9jv3uXuNovMDc1d djkJVj0K5PEFUwGnSgNUGiJwByfkJqDJmLEsDTgHSnS+P23HwkBfsTEJ+Xn3C5U4 ZYNXUpXv1tsNJhHjWSq2y/4JsfNZ8Y2/r8YZEQDtwbRLfei6nyMcO/cpNYIM0+f7 TqXDLaQ/aLnuQJwD288y4dKwWpZFR/eiNFvLy96gAaFJxzjP6atvkIwxzy2IGNH5 582oXGEFR7714z90R8FXCFOr3nGSbZyogFHaAy2jZTYUddIvoGsKDZiuJjZbVuIb /KRdwg5JV3kHF4F3fMzPqyI+6hDoMqRESiOZV6dUDJTphTSkbXlBNBHgjSOyfW6p cP+YfCiKnBwHpBvThafhA2X9Ky3RG7rKsSwALfwSC9Yxf8XDVOmcABcpBDEe6f1i fHDkbGigG8jnIQi73XdTiQHvewADQ2IJizMGceDDJmpF4QR5QTEr4zYXhTswAokn K1S8cZScfI4m+S3XxXJt =yl6C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/_lXJtYVsz+wVWEXajnsTVNT--