From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9689: Contradiction in manual page "The Mark and the Region" Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 +0000 Message-ID: <20111007094729.GC2830@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317981183 25384 80.91.229.12 (7 Oct 2011 09:53:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:53:03 +0000 (UTC) To: 9689@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 11:52:59 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76r-0007Jp-7z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:52:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55712 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76q-0007I5-On for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39751) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76n-0007Hn-DU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76m-0007wT-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:49 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53344) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76m-0007wN-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76z-0008Ku-Hg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:53:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9689 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131798113831992 (code B ref -1); Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2011 09:52:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76I-0008Jx-KL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76H-0008Jk-1Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75x-0007oY-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:58 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:48313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75x-0007oU-Fg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75w-00079n-GO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75v-0007oF-JB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:56 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:53623 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75v-0007o2-Bp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:55 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 26913 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Oct 2011 09:51:53 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD951B9DD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.185.221]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:51:51 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 3156 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:53:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:52363 Archived-At: Hi, Emacs. In manual page "The Mark and the Region", an "active mark" is defined as the region being highlighted. Lower down the page, it says that with transient-mark-mode disabled, the mark is always active. This use of "active" contradicts the definition given above. This could be fixed by redefining "active" to mean "you can use commands which use the mark", or something like that. Alternatively, one could say that with t-m-m disabled, "the mark is always inactive, but you can always use in commands". Second alternative: With transient-mark-mode disabled "the region is not highlighted at all". -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).