From: Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com>
To: emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:33:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111003093334.0bf5d988@kuru.homelinux.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1R9Tzu-00046F-9g@fencepost.gnu.org>
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:42:50 -0400
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
> * Are you in favor of this change?
>
Yes.
> * Are you opposed to this change?
>
No.
> * How strongly do you feel about the matter?
>
Strongly. So much so, that I had advised delete to behave like this when
I was using Emacs 23. I am not an expert lisp programmer, so it was a
bit buggy. When I discovered this feature in Emacs 24 I was happy to let
go of my customisation.
FWIW, if this is customisable by a variable expert users opposing this
change can easily revert back to the old behaviour but new users find
this very confusing (at least in my experience from ~3 yrs back when I
adopted Emacs).
> We don't want to just "count votes" -- we want to understand
> how this affects users. So if you care about the issue,
> please tell us how the change affects your editing.
>
> * What are the cases where you find it helps?
>
Often I want to delete large chunks of text and don't want it to
"pollute" my kill ring. This option lets me do that very easily. In my
experience I find I use this more often when I am writing plain text
rather than programming. IMO, with the advent of more such modes in
Emacs where you edit large amounts of plain text (and not source code)
makes this a very useful feature for me (e.g. message-mode, org-mode,
..). I found default behaviour (like the old behaviour) can be a hurdle
when introducing other friends to Emacs (I was trying to introduce my
non techie friends to org-mode and LaTeX).
> * What are the cases where you find it hurts?
>
As I mentioned above, I find it less useful while programming but I
wouldn't say that it hurts.
> * What is your level of Emacs experience?
>
I have been using Emacs for over 3 yrs now. I am a PhD student and my
Emacs use involves a lot of programming (C/C++, python, shell scripts
for my studies and lisp as hobby), writing notes, draft articles for
publications (with org-mode and LaTeX). I am a relatively experienced
user of Emacs (of course not compared to the list members, but in
comparison to my colleagues at the University). On a more fun note, I am
aware of rectangle commands. ;)
> A further change in the same area has been suggested: when there is an
> active region, a self-inserting character would delete the region
> before the character is inserted by default.
>
> * What would you think of this further change?
>
I am not sure about this, but this brings default Emacs behaviour close
to other modern text editors. If this is a configurable option, I don't
see any harm.
> Please send your responses to emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org.
>
>
Thank you for asking the user's opinion!
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-03 7:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-26 3:57 Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 4:46 ` Leo
2011-09-26 18:43 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 23:21 ` Leo
2011-09-26 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 8:23 ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-26 23:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-09-26 11:12 ` Neal Becker
2011-09-26 11:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-13 4:50 ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-10-13 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 16:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 17:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 18:50 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 17:07 ` Bastien
2011-09-26 17:26 ` Rasmus
2011-09-26 21:12 ` draft for DEL key poll Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 21:38 ` Karl Fogel
2011-09-26 22:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-27 6:30 ` Stefan Reichör
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-28 22:48 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-29 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-30 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 22:38 ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) chad
2011-09-26 23:10 ` disable delete-selection-mode? Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 16:34 ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 0:08 ` draft for DEL key poll Juri Linkov
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 0:52 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 18:49 ` James Cloos
2011-09-28 7:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-28 8:26 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-09-28 9:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-09-28 17:44 ` chad
2011-09-29 10:49 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-29 17:56 ` chad
2011-09-29 23:17 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2011-09-30 0:04 ` chad
2011-09-30 21:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 21:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-01 6:03 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-09-27 0:59 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 23:00 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-26 23:58 ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 0:30 ` Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-30 3:42 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 8:56 ` Memnon Anon
2011-09-30 11:36 ` Jai Dayal
2011-09-30 15:17 ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-01 12:54 ` Le Wang
2011-10-03 15:25 ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-03 5:57 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 9:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 15:14 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 20:57 ` Martyn Jago
2011-10-03 17:18 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 18:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 7:33 ` Suvayu Ali [this message]
2011-10-03 13:18 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] ken
2011-10-03 13:24 ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-03 14:47 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 13:41 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 15:17 ` ken
2011-10-03 16:02 ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 20:39 ` ken
2011-10-03 15:35 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 16:01 ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 16:00 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-03 17:45 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 19:27 ` Rasmus
2011-10-03 21:30 ` ken
2011-10-03 16:22 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 12:37 ` ken
2011-10-04 22:09 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 12:44 ` ken
2011-10-04 18:40 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 20:02 ` ken
2011-10-04 20:19 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 21:42 ` ken
2011-10-04 21:54 ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-05 0:35 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <mailman.5071.1317713524.939.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-10-04 13:12 ` rusi
2011-10-04 17:27 ` S Boucher
2011-10-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-05 16:02 ` Rustom Mody
2011-10-05 17:26 ` MBR
2011-10-05 17:51 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 4:28 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete MBR
2011-10-04 7:33 ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 14:08 ` MBR
2011-10-04 14:40 ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 11:39 ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-04 13:31 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 11:47 ` Jonathan Groll
2011-10-04 13:33 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 16:17 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-04 16:36 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 17:38 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 18:29 ` Alan E. Davis
2011-10-04 19:16 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 19:11 ` Johnny
2011-10-05 1:04 ` Ludwig, Mark
2011-10-06 12:24 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-10-06 19:15 ` Ken Goldman
2011-10-06 19:52 ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-18 8:09 ` Steinar Bang
2011-11-13 4:24 ` semperos
2011-10-01 0:22 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Drew Adams
2011-10-03 16:11 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 22:56 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-03 23:42 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 23:43 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 10:18 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 10:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:28 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 11:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:07 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:31 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 19:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:52 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:21 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-12 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:48 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 14:02 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 1:54 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 3:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-13 4:04 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 16:15 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-13 22:54 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-15 1:32 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 14:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 17:15 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 23:34 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-18 23:55 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-13 14:28 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 14:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-07 19:25 ` nabil-82
2011-10-08 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 16:38 ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 4:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 13:02 ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 1:39 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-10-12 13:04 ` nabil-82
2011-10-12 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 16:58 ` nabil-82
2011-10-13 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 21:01 ` Glenn Morris
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