From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:27:31 +0200 Message-ID: <201007161927.31648.tassilo@member.fsf.org> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87mxtr8i6l.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279301266 20635 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 17:27:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 19:27:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZohM-0005VI-1i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:27:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34180 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZohL-0005hu-Ep for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:27:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46181 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZohD-0005g0-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:27:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZohC-0007Nk-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:27:35 -0400 Original-Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:48537) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZohC-0007Nf-NB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:27:34 -0400 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B262168883; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:27:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=from:to:subject:date:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; s=smtpout; bh=9kqttGKihwyjaIKUZ4huglsQ2u0=; b=ekC/aSoop77ogCeHh6GMjSxWX6+M85FdheLvGzRGd9eR0i80Yudd8K6CbfGqTDi4G12TG0Xjoc1jp0WcqE404gvGhXZmtioxsEB8AY2+hvKBxv1BmVA8v9H9WH8JB9YHvJr4E5D1heg/cxubJJmNddw1Pf/0dKQZxZbKAVPY3uw= X-Sasl-enc: kJMOphTGEfcSaahQGTii0qQ/DuRzbrBQxHntz8LqsLqW 1279301253 Original-Received: from thinkpad.localnet (p54AF1F70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.175.31.112]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDB344E9945; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:27:33 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.35-rc5-git1; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <87mxtr8i6l.fsf@telefonica.net> X-Face: `TY6r/ws=N5uqO1E`M=Sups<}n%T[E^o_?MJj< =?iso-8859-1?q?O4j=265ljV6lU=7DcXU7oftH=26/x=5F=7EK=7B=26zv9=7D=0A=09sB?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=7D5/Ea=5BhU=7BCS=23=3F=3F0=3F=3Fn?=@sX+ft]?{(l?, mp"a`u List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127445 Archived-At: On Friday 16 July 2010 19:12:18 =D3scar Fuentes wrote: > If there is something in Emacs that is not sensible nor logical, > that's the keybindings. Not only they are different from the current > established ones, they often seem planned with the clear intention of > causing RSI :-) This heavily depends on your keyboard layout. IMO, the worst decision a developer of an editor can make is to base the keybindings on one specific layout. For example, vi's hjkl-movement bindings are totally awkward on my German Dvorak Type II keyboard. In contrast, emacs C-n, C-f, C-b and C-p have mnemonics which are clear and independent from the layout. Similarly, C-k, C-y and M-y have clear mnemonics derived from the concepts of killing and yanking. Bye, Tassilo