From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jose E. Marchesi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 77, Issue 62 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:54:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20100711.135431.300715226.jemarch@gnu.org> References: <20100711111123.94F0946D172@chapters.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278849527 14265 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2010 11:58:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:58:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-devel-request@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 11 13:58:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXvBE-00045Z-Mo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:58:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57958 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXvBB-0007YC-MP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:58:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43795 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXvB6-0007XD-Cx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OXvB5-0003V3-95 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:41192 helo=localhost) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OXvB4-0003Uz-Ul; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:58:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20100711111123.94F0946D172@chapters.gnu.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 7.0.50 on Emacs 23.1.91 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127042 Archived-At: Why should they spend time to configure such basic things to try an obscure editor? They won't do that and that's why with time emacs will probably be more and more an obscure editor. It's sad, because it's such a great tool, and I don't want to see it fade away in obscurity. But if easy of entry is not increased for casual users then it is the most probable future for our beloved editor. Is really Emacs fading away? In that case, how it comes it did not fade away before in more than 20 years of history? I mean, are we sure we are talking about a real problem? After a lot of years suggesting people to run the Emacs tutorial I never got a single complaint about C-c and C-v not working "as expected". Maybe I was extremely lucky. The Bauer Principle is applicable here, IMHO. In Van Wijngaarden words: "Who does not want to use complex facilities, does not pay for them. If the user wants to use them, he has to pay a little." But really, in this specific case the "payment" is as little as reading a paragraph in the tutorial explaining the usage of the kill-ring and C-y. Anyone with the minimum amount of interest should be able to pass through it.