From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lewis Perin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Windows Emacs and "VirtualStore" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20100420144437.D41E633CC2@panix2.panix.com> References: <20100419211247.5704333CB3@panix2.panix.com> <98664A27-19F1-422B-B4EC-C84592B42A76@mit.edu> Reply-To: perin@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271774696 2209 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2010 14:44:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chad Brown Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 20 16:44:55 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4Eh4-0005Cp-4Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:44:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42463 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O4Egz-00008W-BI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O4Egt-00008J-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34724 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O4Egq-000081-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4Egp-0001jX-2A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail2.panix.com ([166.84.1.73]:54852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4Ego-0001jR-Qp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:38 -0400 Original-Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046AD38E5B; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by panix2.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 13816) id D41E633CC2; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: <98664A27-19F1-422B-B4EC-C84592B42A76@mit.edu> (message from Chad Brown on Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:54:46 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123916 Archived-At: >From: Chad Brown >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:54:46 -0700 > >On Apr 19, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Lewis Perin wrote: > >> [..] >> >> When I said the augmented manifest was *part* of the solution, I meant >> that an ideal solution would allow the user to escalate privilege by >> typing an admin password for an attempt to rewrite a file when the >> first write failed. I've no idea if this would be as simple as it >> sounds. Is there someone reading this who's in a position to comment? >[...] >Unless someone can find some first-hand evidence, I think we're much better >off (practically speaking) using something like your manifest, rather than >waiting for an escalation system to be added to Emacs. Obviously I agree with you on that. >It does strike me that this must be a relatively common problem, so >perhaps some other open or free software product will have some >useful experience? Indeed that would be interesting to see. Right now on my Windows 7 machine I can see that Firefox is running with virualization disabled, just like my manifest-hacked Emacs. So obviously Mozilla's done something. Ah, wait a sec - let's look at their manifest - it's pretty similar to the one I inserted into Emacs, actually. Of course, it's quite possible that people who see VirtualStore as a problem are a small minority among Vista and W7 users: maybe most people still run as admin. /Lew --- Lew Perin | perin@acm.org | http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html