From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:46:47 +0000 Message-ID: <20100315104646.GC2020@muc.de> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20100314093329.GA1362@muc.de> <20100314190109.GA2424@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268651188 17270 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 11:06:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Miles Bader , cyd@stupidchicken.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Cloos Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 12:06:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr87I-0005U9-8W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:06:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42190 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr87H-0006w6-NG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr87C-0006vg-G2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:05:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41866 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr878-0006vS-SO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:05:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr877-0005Xx-1M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:05:38 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:2998 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr876-0005Xr-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:05:36 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 84485 invoked by uid 3782); 15 Mar 2010 10:38:53 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E23315.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.51.21]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:38:51 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3727 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Mar 2010 10:46:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121993 Archived-At: Hi, James, On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 03:21:05PM -0400, James Cloos wrote: > >>>>> "AM" == Alan Mackenzie writes: > AM> I think we'd agree, it wouldn't be a bad idea for the scroll > AM> bar position to be an option. > Yes, we (all, I'm sure) fully agree on that point. > Incidently, according to info the scroll bar position is not > configurable via X Resources, only its width is. > That should be fixed as well. Anytime frame parameters such > as that are changed after the frame is first mapped, users are > subjected to annoyances like flashing and sometimes even bugs. > Similar examples of features better disabled by resources than > by the init file -- and which already can be -- are the toolbar > and the menubar. This is only partly true - these features can only by {en,dis}abled by resources on platforms which have them. This doesn't include, e.g., the Linux tty. Although this tty doesn't implement a scroll bar, it can display a menu bar. (I'd love to find out if it can be used by a GPM mouse; so far I've not managed to get it working.) > -JimC -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).