From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ehud Karni" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.bidi Subject: Re: [emacs-bidi] Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:21:06 +0200 Organization: Mivtach-Simon Insurance agencies Message-ID: <201002041621.o14GL6w5006928@beta.mvs.co.il> References: <83tyu3iu6b.fsf@gnu.org> <201002011400.o11E0jMQ007420@beta.mvs.co.il> <83vdeghfqg.fsf@gnu.org> <201002012205.o11M5Sci011809@beta.mvs.co.il> <83k4uvh09o.fsf@gnu.org> <201002031310.o13DAqXd019253@beta.mvs.co.il> <40314.130.55.118.19.1265230948.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> Reply-To: ehud@unix.mvs.co.il NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265300536 27266 80.91.229.12 (4 Feb 2010 16:22:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: herring@lanl.gov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 04 17:22:13 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd4Sz-0001kN-Lp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:22:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49188 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd4Sy-0006gn-Lp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:22:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd4Si-0006cf-8C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:21:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34852 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd4Sh-0006cO-Ll for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:21:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd4Se-0000bE-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:21:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.16.147.12] (port=55932 helo=unix.mvs.co.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd4Sd-0000b8-GM; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:21:44 -0500 Original-Received: from beta.mvs.co.il (beta [10.253.0.3]) by unix.mvs.co.il (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id o14GL7jg007394; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:21:08 +0200 Original-Received: from beta.mvs.co.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.mvs.co.il (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o14GL7DO006931; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:21:07 +0200 Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by beta.mvs.co.il (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id o14GL6w5006928; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:21:06 +0200 In-reply-to: <40314.130.55.118.19.1265230948.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> (message from Davis Herring on Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:02:28 -0800 (PST)) X-Mailer: Emacs 21.3.1 rmail (send-msg 1.109) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120907 gmane.emacs.bidi:516 Archived-At: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:02:28 Davis Herring wrote: > > > > See the problem - the user must start reading from the second line. > > What is the alternative? (What you proposed later in your message doesn't > address this case to my understanding.) Perhaps you would want this? > > +-------------------------------+ > |name2 1234 catag2 ED-GNOL-YREV\| > | NOITPIRCS | > +-------------------------------+ No. I want this: +-------------------------------+ |name2 1234 catag2 ED-GNOL-YREV\| |NOITPIRCS | +-------------------------------+ And again, the same in R2L direction: +-------------------------------+ |ED-GNOL-YREV name2 1234 catag2\| | NOITPIRCS| +-------------------------------+ And the logical text "VERY-LONG-DESCRIPTION name2 1234 catag2" would be rendered (R2L paragraph): +-------------------------------+ |/name2 12 NOITPIRCSED-GNOL-YREV| | 34 catag2| +-------------------------------+ This how it is done in Hebrew newspapers and in HTML, and this is how Hebrew readers are used to it (of course newspapers and HTML don't breaks words, but that is the only difference). e.g. http://www.cancer.org.il/template_site2/default.asp?textSearch=&maincat=15&catid=368&pageid=3331&innerparentId=4361 look for "nutrition and physical" and see how the English title is broken into 2 lines and is right justified. I wish more users who uses Hebrew routinely will take part in this discussion. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /"\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7976-561 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D Better Safe Than Sorry