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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Paul R <paul.r.ml@gmail.com>
Cc: grischka <grishka@gmx.de>, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:26:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100130132651.GB1428@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi, Paul,

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 01:11:57PM +0100, Paul R wrote:
> Richard,

> > The term "ecosystem" is best avoided because it supposes an amoral
> > stance. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html for the
> > explanation.

> I don't think the word ecosystem "(...) implies the absence of intention
> and ethics", as stated in this page.

Are you a native English speaker?  "Ecosystem" is a system of ecology,
which is the study of how organisms react with eachother and their
shared environment.  Implicit in ecology is its participants'
obliviousness to ecology.

> It does not imply the presence of them either. I think they are
> independant concepts, and that a free software ecosystem is an
> acceptable metaphor, because it shows that there is interdependency
> (in fact free software licence favours this interdependency).

There are other words which also imply interdependency yet which are
less laden with loaded meanings.  "Ecosystem" implies its participants
(hackers etc.) are on the level of bugs, beetles and bacteria.  It
denigrates hackers, suggesting they are simply swept along helplessly by
outrageous fortune, rather than being the agents of it.  Some of these
other words would be better, much better, such as ....

> Can you suggest an alternative word that expresses this simple, yet
> fundamental, concept ?

A "community" for example, which expresses all the tenets of
interdependency and tension.  If you want to emphasise the ideas of
competition between bits of free software (say, between perl, python and
ruby), the best word is perhaps "market", or "marketplace of ideas".

> -- 
>   Paul

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).




  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-30 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-29 19:48 redisplay system of emacs grischka
2010-01-30  5:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30  9:53   ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:01     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:08       ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:54         ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:52           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:24       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 12:53       ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-01-30  9:57   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 11:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:11   ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:26     ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2010-01-30 13:42       ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 13:49       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-30 13:54       ` Paul R
2010-01-30 15:15         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 15:07       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-31 12:41     ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-31 16:36       ` grischka
2010-02-01 21:06         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02  3:32           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-02 21:21             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 21:42               ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03  0:24                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03  6:45                   ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 13:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 14:15                   ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 14:18                     ` Daniel Colascione
2010-02-04 11:01                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03  2:48               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 12:19                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-04 11:00                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:06                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-05 12:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 18:37                         ` grischka
2010-02-03 13:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 17:26                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 17:45                     ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 18:35                     ` grischka
2010-02-03 18:36                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-02-03 19:03                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03 20:31                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-03 20:37                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-04  8:23                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 23:18                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05  5:46                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 11:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:38                       ` David Kastrup
2010-02-05 19:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 12:28                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-28  0:19 alin.s
2010-01-28  4:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28  9:07   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 11:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 11:47       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 12:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 12:53           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 14:10             ` Miles Bader
2010-01-28 15:04               ` alin.s
2010-01-28 22:34               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:04               ` Paul R
2010-01-29 10:17                 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 10:23                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:30                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:18                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 11:03                     ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 11:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:10                         ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 10:48                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 11:01                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 18:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 11:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 13:06                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 13:10                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:28                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-29 18:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 18:56                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 11:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:51                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 15:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 19:21                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 21:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31  9:32                               ` David Kastrup
2010-01-31 12:41                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-29 19:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-30 18:39                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 10:34                       ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2010-01-30 10:52                         ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 21:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 13:07                   ` David Kastrup
2010-01-28  5:10 ` Ken Hori
2010-01-28 12:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-28 13:41   ` alin.s
2010-01-28 14:50     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-12  8:31 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:10   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-12 13:41     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:49   ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 13:30     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:25       ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 14:37         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:53         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 15:11           ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 15:31             ` David Kastrup
2010-02-12 15:55               ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 16:53               ` alin.s
2010-02-12 18:55                 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-14 19:13                   ` alin.s
2010-02-17 13:14                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-02-23  0:45                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-02-23  3:01                         ` David Reitter
2010-02-23  3:34                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-02-23 14:31                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-14 19:25                   ` alin.s
2010-02-16 16:40                 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-16 19:20                   ` grischka
2010-02-16 19:55                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-02-17 13:56                       ` alin.s
2010-02-16 20:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-16 20:56                       ` grischka
2010-02-17  4:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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