From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unable to close a bug in the tracker. Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:24:17 +0100 Organization: GNU's Not UNIX! Message-ID: <201001141224.o0ECOHki010828@fed.local> References: <87iqb5o7ie.fsf@red-bean.com> <878wc1h524.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877hrlo5cx.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: Xavier Maillard NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263471784 13485 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2010 12:23:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 14 13:22:56 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NVOj1-0003mK-E9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:22:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49906 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVOj2-0005Wn-1U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVOiv-0005WB-Ou for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVOip-0005Tu-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58512 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVOip-0005To-Jz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:43 -0500 Original-Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:39555) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NVOim-0007Mj-2H; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:40 -0500 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96D8CCEAF; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:32 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:subject:reply-to:references; s=smtpout; bh=X11TCAnOZQK3brEspFUh4wBl9hQ=; b=e8kNuqCrQzdyKQNPN25W2w3xTRLF6s1zfB9NHibsBJ6bL3wHs0tszDSXcUVKrdvgu3BRiM89/9Qf/3cemuzoWcToKvD9X+w8rBCMg2d2Yo1gRZfdZBYiGI9Yhn30r7Rn4vmtm0fVjZ5i8MAxXsi9fgpp9i65XkcJ3AdB1TvqOz4= X-Sasl-enc: hSy4EpxMzjfke5qda59wrKZNG+AwmGMiwwSxUcNb25it 1263471752 Original-Received: from fed.local (cha51-2-82-244-211-40.fbx.proxad.net [82.244.211.40]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 792B7E914; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:32 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from fed.local (fed.local [127.0.0.1]) by fed.local (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0ECOIjX010830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:24:19 +0100 Original-Received: (from xavier@localhost) by fed.local (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o0ECOHki010828; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:24:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: fed.local: xavier set sender to xma@gnu.org using -f In-reply-to: (message from Miles Bader on Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:37:17 +0900) User-Agent: Rmail/23.1.1 Emacs/23.1.1 (gnu/linux) Jabber-ID: xavier@maillard.im X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119985 Archived-At: Hi, Karl Fogel writes: > I mentioned Launchpad only because it's one of the few that offer both > web and email UI (and does both well, IMHO), and therefore is a > proof-by-existence that it doesn't have to be this way. I admit, I tend to instinctively dismiss anything from canonical, and indeed launchpad in particular (because of its proprietary past, and the vague "all-consuming-bloat-master" feel one gets from using it on the web). Perhaps it's better than I assumed. > We could use Bugzilla and still come out ahead. I vaguely thought we were talking about bugzilla at some point, I dunno what happened to that. From that discussion, I seem to recall that it's gained some email control/discussion features (the lack of which has been a blocker for bugzilla traditionally), and seems to have slowly been losing some of its "confusing mess" reputation. [I think allowing email _replies_ in bug comments is pretty important -- there's absolutely nothing more annoying than getting email "notification" of a discussion on a bug, and not being able to reply in email... web interfaces are generally pretty good for clicking buttons or searching, but not for having discussions.] This was one of the reason I proposed debbugs as a potential candidate. THe main concern was a bug tracker usable my e-mail and debbugs came to my mind. Nobody imposed anything and choice was done after a long period of experiment and many hours have been invested in "porting" what Debian offered to something close to people needs. That's sad people are desperately wanting to change this after all these efforts. If there are things to enhance, maybe we could try to see how to do them and send them back upstream. Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org