From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marek Aaron Sapota Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gentoo GNU/Linux and non-free packages Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:57:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20100108155750.GG1426@fencepost.localnet> References: <87ocl9wqjp.fsf_-_@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <201bac3a1001051610t25a1a767v79398943193c3e89@mail.gmail.com> <87iqbexqgi.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108000622.GA1426@fencepost.localnet> <873a2h7xlk.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <878wc87h9k.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m972NQjnE83KvVa/" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262967168 9609 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2010 16:12:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: yavor@gnu.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 17:12:40 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NTHS3-0006fe-8u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:12:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48061 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTHS3-0005Si-CQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:12:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTHRx-0005Qh-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:12:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTHRu-0005Ol-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:12:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50789 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTHRt-0005Oi-S2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:12:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:44422) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTHRt-00063o-LI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:12:29 -0500 Original-Received: from maarons by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTHDi-0004O1-AT; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:57:50 -0500 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, yavor@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <878wc87h9k.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119703 Archived-At: --m972NQjnE83KvVa/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:23:03PM +0200, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Tassilo Horn wrote: > > Hm, I don't know how extensively you have tested, but using > >=20 > > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"-* @FSF-APPROVED @OSI-APPROVED" >=20 > This is far from sufficient for an entirely free GNU distro (which all > distros should be, in an ideal world), because there are packages are > basically under a free license, but include component or two that are > clearly non-free, or have dependencies that are non-free. That will be tracked down by portage, it won't install a GPL-ed package if it has proprietary dependences. >=20 > Unless Gentoo strips the tarballs to exclude such components, tweaks > the .ebuilds and dependencies accordingly, etc., this new feature of > the package manager is not a solution. >=20 > Then comes the problem with incompatible licenses, which Gentoo > doesn't seem to pursue at all -- it'll happily compile whatever > combination of USE flags if it's technically possible. (I might be > wrong here.) While less severe than distributing and even silently > installing non-free software behind users' back, this is an issue that > should not be ignored. >=20 The use flag combinations can be limited, though I think this would be upstream package problem - use flags are only more or less --enable-foo --disable-bar passed to configure script. >=20 > BTW, this sub-thread seems to be off-topic on emacs-devel. >=20 >=20 I agree, also this discussion is pointless until Gentoo improves some things so let's end it. Happy hacking Marek Aaron Sapota --m972NQjnE83KvVa/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLR1X+Pw8cAmBIdTMRAkdNAJ9SXMeoQUP3vp6M5OfH4+SIYcXuRwCfeZIu FoGwmTIr20/EFezwLi6ycCs= =KMRX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m972NQjnE83KvVa/--