From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marek Aaron Sapota Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gentoo GNU/Linux and non-free packages Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: <20100108154722.GF1426@fencepost.localnet> References: <201bac3a1001051610t25a1a767v79398943193c3e89@mail.gmail.com> <87iqbexqgi.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108000622.GA1426@fencepost.localnet> <873a2h7xlk.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108111454.GC1426@fencepost.localnet> <87r5q07qe9.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108124440.GE1426@fencepost.localnet> <87k4vs7j19.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262965677 3226 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2010 15:47:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:47:57 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 16:47:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NTH3l-0000I2-RY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:47:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55462 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTH3m-0008S7-Cc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:47:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTH3f-0008RM-W7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:47:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTH3b-0008Pc-8X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:47:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52448 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTH3b-0008PZ-1a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:47:23 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:40096) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTH3a-0007lS-Ma for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:47:22 -0500 Original-Received: from maarons by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTH3a-00048a-Fc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:47:22 -0500 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87k4vs7j19.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119702 Archived-At: --GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 03:44:50PM +0100, Tassilo Horn wrote: > Marek Aaron Sapota writes: >=20 > > On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:56:13PM +0100, Tassilo Horn wrote: > >> I've just checked xorg-x11, and it has only hard dependencies to fonts > >> licensed under the MIT license or public domain. I guess, I've set so= me > >> use flag, which enables this additional dependency. > > > > I've just checked what I have removed from the ebuild: Bigelow & Holmes > > fonts - they are now labelled as MIT licensed. Unless the license was > > changed recently it is incorrect, this fonts didn't permit changing them > > if I remember right.=20 >=20 > Is that the correct license? >=20 > http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html >=20 > Looks quite MIT-style to me. Do what you want, but keep this copyright > notice. Looks like the license that was there before. =46rom this license: The Font Software may not be modified, altered, or added to, and in particular the designs of glyphs or characters in the Fonts may not be modified nor may additional glyphs or characters be added to the Fonts. This License becomes null and void when the Fonts or Font Software have been modified. So non-free. >=20 > >> > To be a Free Distribution Gentoo would have to show commitment to > >> > Free Software and they clearly don't. > >>=20 > >> The social contract does: > > > > In practice try installing Netbeans and see how it fails on > > proprietary dependences. >=20 > I only had a brief look, but it seems it fails because of the license > groups aren't complete yet. I checked some required but license masked > packages, and they were all free, although not GPL compatible, > e.g. CDDL, Apache... Even when you add this free licenses to your ACCEPT_LICENSE it fails. >=20 > Oh, well, there are some of those jsr packages (Java Specification > Request). As far as I understand from >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Community_Process >=20 > those are reference implementations to new java features, which might > eventually be included in the java language spec. Still they are non-free, I don't know how gNewSense packages Netbeans but it does so avoiding non-free software can be done. Gentoo ebuild it pulls sun-jdk instead of using icedtea. >=20 > What would be interesting, is to know if the usual netbeans installer > comes with and installs those proprietary addons. If yes, then we > should thank Gentoo for making us aware of those. >=20 > Bye, > Tassilo >=20 >=20 Some of default Netbeans modules are non-free, they are installed with usual installer and with ebuild version (though this can be changed using use flags). Happy hacking Marek Aaron Sapota --GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLR1OKPw8cAmBIdTMRAk79AKC4ywxF2VyPrDW9FSz+MOQkUAbd0ACfRAc4 lbR2eVhct+jy4amNfpgRIGE= =Q6KI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GV0iVqYguTV4Q9ER--