Mobile org

Mobile org

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

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Hello list,

org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD the
way I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so, I'm looking
for a mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that I could keep in
sync with my laptop.

What do you think?

Any suggestions appreciated,

Marcelo.

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Re: Mobile org

[Matt Lundin]

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello list,
>
> org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD
> the way I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so,
> I'm looking for a mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that
> I could keep in sync with my laptop.

There have been many discussions of this topic in the past. I would
recommend searching the gmane archives for iPhone, Nokia N810, Android,
portable, etc.

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode

If I had money to burn[1] and needed a mobile device, I would wait for
the Nokia N900, which is both a smartphone and a hackable Linux pocket
computer. There are Emacs packages that run on its predecessor, the
N810.

Best,
Matt

Footnotes:

[1] This is a big if. ;)

Re: Mobile org

[Delwood Richardson]

I am using org-mode on a N800 (or N810). It works pretty well in reverse-video
mode with emacs 22. Here is the link to the Emacs for maemo site:

http://danielsz.freeshell.org/code/mine/emacs-for-maemo/index.shtml

And one can easily sync writing with unison on the N800. The N900 looks great,
but until the price comes down the N800 and N810 are a great deal. They are
small enough to replace a Moleskine notebook and work with a folding bluetooth
keyboard like the iGo to give a truely protable org experience. 

Delwood

Re: Re: Mobile org

[Eric S Fraga, Eric S Fraga]

At Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:31:05 +0000 (UTC), Delwood Richardson wrote:
> 
> I am using org-mode on a N800 (or N810).

I'm also using org-mode on an N810 (with emacs 22).  Ideal!  org-mode
is perfectly fast enough, especially after the optimisations done to
it earlier this year and having it run on a computer that fits in my
pocket is exactly what I needed for keeping on top of things.

There are a slew of machines supposedly (?) coming out in the near
future with 5" screens, many running Linux, which should support
org-mode very well indeed.

eric

Re: Re: Mobile org

[[AvataR]]

I have emacs-23 on n810, tuned for rather quick start with dumps,
cleaning and other stuff :) Not
perfect, because of absent of normal virtual keyboard, and LOooOOoww
memory (emacs-server get about 6-7%), but usable. Also emacs requires some
tuning for using on RX-44 keyboard (M-x -> M-+, wmctrl, etc), and with
org. I sync my stations with mercurial. I think we must write simple
client for org-db for opensync, or something in that way - normally
emacs on portable devices works quite sloow. Or maybe we can do
clear emacs-org application? (%

Some screenshots:

    http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1055/gnus.png
    http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4656/menux.png
    http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1610/emacsgeneral.png
    

Re: Re: Mobile org

[Eric S Fraga, Eric S Fraga]

At Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:25:24 +0300,
[AvataR] wrote:
> 
> I have emacs-23 on n810, tuned for rather quick start with dumps,
> cleaning and other stuff :) 

Where did you install emacs 23 from?  I'm using my N810 specifically
for org-mode (my carry around diary and note taking device) but am
using emacs 22.

> Not
> perfect, because of absent of normal virtual keyboard, and LOooOOoww
> memory (emacs-server get about 6-7%), but usable. Also emacs requires some
> tuning for using on RX-44 keyboard (M-x -> M-+, wmctrl, etc), and with
> org. I sync my stations with mercurial. 

I use git instead of mercurial but would like mercurial.  Where did
you get this from for the N810?

> I think we must write simple
> client for org-db for opensync, or something in that way - normally
> emacs on portable devices works quite sloow. Or maybe we can do
> clear emacs-org application?

I'm not sure what you mean by this.  Given the ability to easily sync
using hg/git, what do you need here?

eric

Re: Re: Mobile org

[Adam Spiers]

On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:25:24AM +0300, [AvataR] wrote:
> I have emacs-23 on n810, tuned for rather quick start with dumps,
> cleaning and other stuff :) Not
> perfect, because of absent of normal virtual keyboard, and LOooOOoww
> memory (emacs-server get about 6-7%), but usable. Also emacs requires some
> tuning for using on RX-44 keyboard (M-x -> M-+, wmctrl, etc), and with
> org. I sync my stations with mercurial. I think we must write simple
> client for org-db for opensync, or something in that way - normally
> emacs on portable devices works quite sloow. Or maybe we can do
> clear emacs-org application? (%
> 
> Some screenshots:
> 
>     http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1055/gnus.png
>     http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4656/menux.png
>     http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1610/emacsgeneral.png

Ooh, very nice!  Would *love* to hear how you got emacs 23 on there,
and more details on the tuning and tweaks you did ...

Re: Mobile org

[BKnoth]

>> Some screenshots:
>>
>>      http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1055/gnus.png
>>      http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4656/menux.png
>>      http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1610/emacsgeneral.png
>
> Ooh, very nice!  Would *love* to hear how you got emacs 23 on there,
> and more details on the tuning and tweaks you did ...
>
Agreed - how did you do that? Did you post instructions somewhere, or 
find some?

- Bruce

Re: Mobile org

[Bernt Hansen]

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD
> the way I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so,
> I'm looking for a mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that
> I could keep in sync with my laptop.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Any suggestions appreciated,

I took the easy way out - I got myself a Eee PC 1000HE which has a
reported 9 hour battery runtime in Windows.  I get 7+ hours in Linux and
it's a full PC with an 85% keyboard.  It's great for my purposes and it
runs full emacs and org-mode.

-Bernt

Re: Mobile org

[Ian Barton]

> org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD 
> the way I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so, I'm 
> looking for a mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that I 
> could keep in sync with my laptop.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Any suggestions appreciated,
> 
> Marcelo.

Hi Marcelo,

I am in the middle of writing a tutorial for worg on using org on mobile 
devices. The short answer to your question is that there isn't really a 
pocketable device that runs emacs at the moment. Nokia's Maemo platform 
can run emacs, but I would call it pocketable.

So there are a few alternatives:

Use a device that can run ssh and ssh into one of your computer to run 
emacs in a terminal. Nokia, Android and Windows Mobile all have devices 
with ssh clients.

Use org-publish to make your files available as html or pdf. This gives 
you a read only version of your org files.

Use one of the services like reqall that can accept input via voice, 
Instant Meaaging, etc and publish it as an rss feed. You can then use 
one of the scripts available to import this into your org files.

Ian.

Fwd: Mobile org

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Mobile org
To: lists@manor-farm.org


Thank you all for the replies!

I will look into Nokia N810, thanks for the tip. A netbook such as Eee PC
might be a pocket-enough experience, even though not the scenario I would
call ideal, but might work well :)

@Ian: Great tips! Looking forward to reading your tutorial on m-org, would
you mind warning us in the list when it's available?

Thanks,

Marcelo.


On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Ian Barton <lists@manor-farm.org> wrote:

> org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD the
>> way I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so, I'm looking
>> for a mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that I could keep in
>> sync with my laptop.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Any suggestions appreciated,
>>
>> Marcelo.
>>
>
> Hi Marcelo,
>
> I am in the middle of writing a tutorial for worg on using org on mobile
> devices. The short answer to your question is that there isn't really a
> pocketable device that runs emacs at the moment. Nokia's Maemo platform can
> run emacs, but I would call it pocketable.
>
> So there are a few alternatives:
>
> Use a device that can run ssh and ssh into one of your computer to run
> emacs in a terminal. Nokia, Android and Windows Mobile all have devices with
> ssh clients.
>
> Use org-publish to make your files available as html or pdf. This gives you
> a read only version of your org files.
>
> Use one of the services like reqall that can accept input via voice,
> Instant Meaaging, etc and publish it as an rss feed. You can then use one of
> the scripts available to import this into your org files.
>
> Ian.
>
>
>
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Re: Mobile org

[Eric S Fraga, Eric S Fraga]

At Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:33:44 +0100,
Ian Barton wrote:
> 
> I am in the middle of writing a tutorial for worg on using org on
> mobile devices. The short answer to your question is that there isn't
> really a pocketable device that runs emacs at the moment. Nokia's
> Maemo platform can run emacs, but I would call it pocketable.

I assumed you meant to say "not pocketable" and, if so, I guess it
depends on what kind of pockets!  My N810 fits in the pocket of any of
my jackets or coats and does in fact fit in my trouser pockets but the
latter is not necessarily ideal...

Re: Mobile org

[Miguel Fernando Cabrera]

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Few days ago the Nokia N900 (the successor of the N810) was released [1].
Although it is a little bit pricey, I am definitely looking forward to buy
one see Emacs + Org-Mode running on one of those things. Check it out [2].

This is the as "PocketEmacs" you can get :-). I wonder what other wonderful
ways of using Org can be developed if "Mobility" is added to the equation
:-).



[1]
http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594

[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE


On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

> At Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:33:44 +0100,
> Ian Barton wrote:
> >
> > I am in the middle of writing a tutorial for worg on using org on
> > mobile devices. The short answer to your question is that there isn't
> > really a pocketable device that runs emacs at the moment. Nokia's
> > Maemo platform can run emacs, but I would call it pocketable.
>
> I assumed you meant to say "not pocketable" and, if so, I guess it
> depends on what kind of pockets!  My N810 fits in the pocket of any of
> my jackets or coats and does in fact fit in my trouser pockets but the
> latter is not necessarily ideal...
>
>
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Re: Mobile org

[news]

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello list,
>
> org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD the way
> I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so, I'm looking for a
> mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that I could keep in sync with
> my laptop.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Any suggestions appreciated,
>
> Marcelo.

Hi Marcelo,
           check the CategoryPorts page on the emacswiki:
           http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryPorts

           Personally I use emacs on my android phone, which includes a
           Debian installation, see here:

           http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsOnAndroid 

           I use the android scripting environment to access android
           programs from emacs. This allows me to make phone calls/send
           text messages with BBDB in emacs, while I can still use the
           useful gui stuff in android such as maps, web-browsing,
           bar-code scanner etc. 

           I believe android is the way to go since it is open source
           and hackable, while also having a large repertoire of cool
           and useful apps.

           The only drawback is that the initial setup is quite
           complicated and time-consuming. You need to be fairly
           technically minded.

-- 
aleblanc

Re: Re: Mobile org

[Daniel Martins]

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Maybe MobileOrg-Android be the simpler solution


http://wiki.github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/

I did not tried yet

Daniel

2010/2/3 <news@aleblanc.cotse.net>

> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hello list,
> >
> > org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD
> the way
> > I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so, I'm looking
> for a
> > mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that I could keep in sync
> with
> > my laptop.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Any suggestions appreciated,
> >
> > Marcelo.
>
> Hi Marcelo,
>           check the CategoryPorts page on the emacswiki:
>           http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryPorts
>
>           Personally I use emacs on my android phone, which includes a
>           Debian installation, see here:
>
>           http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsOnAndroid
>
>           I use the android scripting environment to access android
>           programs from emacs. This allows me to make phone calls/send
>           text messages with BBDB in emacs, while I can still use the
>           useful gui stuff in android such as maps, web-browsing,
>           bar-code scanner etc.
>
>           I believe android is the way to go since it is open source
>           and hackable, while also having a large repertoire of cool
>           and useful apps.
>
>           The only drawback is that the initial setup is quite
>           complicated and time-consuming. You need to be fairly
>           technically minded.
>
> --
> aleblanc
>
>
>
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Re: Re: Mobile org

[David A. Gershman]

This is (currently) my personal solution for exactly what you're
describing. 

I recently bought an iPod (not iPhone).  On it I put MobileOrg (not the
Android version).  My process is to work with my .org files on a
thumbdrive (this allows portability) and even have emacs for windows on
the same thumbdrive (all my *nix machines already have emacs).  My
.emacs file is even kept on the thumbdrive.  This keeps my
"authoritative" .org files on the thumb drive and even on a TrueCrypt
volume for security (also portable).  Nice, safe and private.

Next, I have a WebDav account online where I can then "publish" my .org
files and have them sync'd with MobileOrg on the iPod.  Works
beautifully.  CATCH: the WebDav account I'm using is on my own personal
server I have on the internet.  I work very hard to secure my server and
there are no other admins.  So I'm pretty comfortable with my .org files
residing on it.  However, there are public, free WebDav servers out
there you can use also.

I've also been able to get my Agenda events into the iPod's calendar app
via Chandler tools.  I'll spare everyone the details unless asked.

Good Luck!

> Maybe MobileOrg-Android be the simpler solution
> 
> 
> http://wiki.github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/
> 
> I did not tried yet
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 2010/2/3 <news@aleblanc.cotse.net>
> 
> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Hello list,
> > >
> > > org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully implement GTD
> > the way
> > > I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so, I'm
looking
> > for a
> > > mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that I could keep
in sync
> > with
> > > my laptop.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions appreciated,
> > >
> > > Marcelo.
> >
> > Hi Marcelo,
> >           check the CategoryPorts page on the emacswiki:
> >           http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryPorts
> >
> >           Personally I use emacs on my android phone, which includes a
> >           Debian installation, see here:
> >
> >           http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsOnAndroid
> >
> >           I use the android scripting environment to access android
> >           programs from emacs. This allows me to make phone calls/send
> >           text messages with BBDB in emacs, while I can still use the
> >           useful gui stuff in android such as maps, web-browsing,
> >           bar-code scanner etc.
> >
> >           I believe android is the way to go since it is open source
> >           and hackable, while also having a large repertoire of cool
> >           and useful apps.
> >
> >           The only drawback is that the initial setup is quite
> >           complicated and time-consuming. You need to be fairly
> >           technically minded.
> >
> > --
> > aleblanc
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 

----------------------------------------
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http://dagertech.net/gershman/
"It's all about the path!" --d. gershman

Re: Re: Mobile org

[Carsten Dominik]

On Feb 26, 2010, at 7:07 PM, David A. Gershman wrote:

>
> This is (currently) my personal solution for exactly what you're
> describing.
>
> I recently bought an iPod (not iPhone).  On it I put MobileOrg (not  
> the
> Android version).  My process is to work with my .org files on a
> thumbdrive (this allows portability) and even have emacs for windows  
> on
> the same thumbdrive (all my *nix machines already have emacs).  My
> .emacs file is even kept on the thumbdrive.  This keeps my
> "authoritative" .org files on the thumb drive and even on a TrueCrypt
> volume for security (also portable).  Nice, safe and private.
>
> Next, I have a WebDav account online where I can then "publish"  
> my .org
> files and have them sync'd with MobileOrg on the iPod.  Works
> beautifully.  CATCH: the WebDav account I'm using is on my own  
> personal
> server I have on the internet.  I work very hard to secure my server  
> and
> there are no other admins.  So I'm pretty comfortable with my .org  
> files
> residing on it.  However, there are public, free WebDav servers out
> there you can use also.

I am working with Richard on an encryption solution, so that the files  
on the server will be encrypted.

- Carsten

>
> I've also been able to get my Agenda events into the iPod's calendar  
> app
> via Chandler tools.  I'll spare everyone the details unless asked.
>
> Good Luck!
>
>> Maybe MobileOrg-Android be the simpler solution
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/
>>
>> I did not tried yet
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> 2010/2/3 <news@aleblanc.cotse.net>
>>
>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hello list,
>>>>
>>>> org-mode really changed my life, and allowed me to fully  
>>>> implement GTD
>>> the way
>>>> I wanted. However, I miss having access to it everytime, so, I'm
> looking
>>> for a
>>>> mobile device that could run emacs and org, and that I could keep
> in sync
>>> with
>>>> my laptop.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions appreciated,
>>>>
>>>> Marcelo.
>>>
>>> Hi Marcelo,
>>>          check the CategoryPorts page on the emacswiki:
>>>          http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryPorts
>>>
>>>          Personally I use emacs on my android phone, which  
>>> includes a
>>>          Debian installation, see here:
>>>
>>>          http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsOnAndroid
>>>
>>>          I use the android scripting environment to access android
>>>          programs from emacs. This allows me to make phone calls/ 
>>> send
>>>          text messages with BBDB in emacs, while I can still use the
>>>          useful gui stuff in android such as maps, web-browsing,
>>>          bar-code scanner etc.
>>>
>>>          I believe android is the way to go since it is open source
>>>          and hackable, while also having a large repertoire of cool
>>>          and useful apps.
>>>
>>>          The only drawback is that the initial setup is quite
>>>          complicated and time-consuming. You need to be fairly
>>>          technically minded.
>>>
>>> --
>>> aleblanc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>
> ----------------------------------------
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> gershman@dagertech.net
> http://dagertech.net/gershman/
> "It's all about the path!" --d. gershman
>
>
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- Carsten