From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: auto-indent in emacs Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:08:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <200911302008.nAUK8Fwu016218@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> References: <6bd43112-0ffd-482a-be72-0cbb579ed1b8@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <87tywc9gpi.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> <87eingm00k.fsf@gmx.de> <200911301726.nAUHQ0nf014925@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <35102.130.55.118.19.1259608819.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <200911301923.nAUJNIBg015886@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <57374.130.55.118.19.1259609973.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259612459 13941 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2009 20:20:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Sebastian Rose , Lennart Borgman , emacs help , Emacs-Devel devel To: herring@lanl.gov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 21:20:51 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NFCjn-0003uS-BV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:20:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60300 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCjm-0000DA-Vg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:20:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCap-0004gT-KI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:11:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCak-0004aO-Vx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:11:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39389 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCak-0004a1-Ji; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:11:26 -0500 Original-Received: from colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.153]:51648) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NFCak-0005al-0r; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:11:26 -0500 Original-Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nAUK8Fpb026396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:08:15 -0800 Original-Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id nAUK8Fwu016218; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:08:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <57374.130.55.118.19.1259609973.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> (Davis Herring's message of "Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:39:33 -0800 (PST)") Original-Lines: 29 X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please send mail to helpdesk@ics.uci.edu or more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: nAUK8Fpb026396 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117994 gmane.emacs.help:70276 Archived-At: "Davis Herring" writes: > > > > Why? > > > > TAB does `indent-region' just fine > > > > > > Only with Transient Mark Mode. > > > > i.e. by default. > > Well, either `indent-region' is important enough, even in the presence of > TAB/TMM, to get a keybinding (currently C-M-\), in which case it's C-M-\ was there before t-m-m was the default. t-m-m by default just made the binding not as useful as it used to be by default, but people might still be using it. TAB is a simple solution, it works by default. We cannot provide generic solutions for all non-default options. > worthwhile to consider whether certain keyboards have difficulty > generating that event, or it's not, in which case we can just get rid of > the keybinding altogether now that TMM is the default and have one more > available for user customization (for those users on whose keyboards it is > a convenient chord). Saying "it's a bad keybinding but we really don't > want it anyway" strikes me as nonsensical. I have not said or implied anything of the sort.