From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:17:25 +0200 Message-ID: <20090713051725.GC26202@tomas> References: <30a09a22-cd05-44b6-9b82-8a7e6c1796d5@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <7bf1883b-3184-487c-a5a4-675f3e117342@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <4D84771B-5BAE-4A1C-8728-EFF633EBCD6E@Web.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247462694 21665 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2009 05:24:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Francis Moreau To: Peter Dyballa Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 13 07:24:47 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQE1u-0006Bb-2g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:24:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53098 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQE1s-0008QA-Tw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:24:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MQDqL-0006A8-Sw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:12:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MQDqH-00069C-Tg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:12:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35727 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQDqH-000695-DG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from alextrapp1.equinoxe.de ([217.22.192.104]:51010 helo=www.elogos.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MQDqH-0003it-0L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E84EC90008; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:17:25 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D84771B-5BAE-4A1C-8728-EFF633EBCD6E@Web.DE> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:66004 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 09:41:47PM +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 12.07.2009 um 19:40 schrieb Francis Moreau: > >> And why is it so hard to understand that a pager feature would >> be nice in this package ? [...] > GNU Emacs is no terminal emulation. It does not need a pager. These=20 > programmes were developed for hardware terminals from 20 or more years = ago.=20 > There is no sense in keeping them today, in a time of feature full term= inal=20 > emulations. They can be abolished together with atom reactors and bombs= .=20 Completely agree on atom reactors and bombs ;-) But you can pry my 'less' from my cold, dead fingers... How are you supposed to page around a hundreds-of-megabytes heavy log file across a ssh connection: by first pulling everything before the pos you want to jump to? Besides, less is faster than anything else around (with exception of possibly 'more', but this one feels really archaic, even to me). > And your splendid idea. Hm. See above. And besides, Emacs buffers can't cope with sizes a pager would take quite happily (unless you go to 64 bit platforms, where I would expect the difference to be irrelevant). Regards - -- tom=C3=A1s -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFKWsNlBcgs9XrR2kYRAqBbAJsFPj5kmpM3EkVEludEHZdU3hqZnACfUonm 94rk5EYnFc7nTcQmnUgobMQ=3D =3DkmRy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----