From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Werner LEMBERG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: other serious problems with non-English tutorials Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20090513.095229.54209345.wl@gnu.org> References: <87ws8mnvem.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090512.205524.216247862.wl@gnu.org> <912155b0905130048g7b370174x6d823a7b3076d9d3@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242201171 8582 80.91.229.12 (13 May 2009 07:52:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: per@starback.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 13 09:52:44 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M49Gd-0001Fx-5d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:52:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M49Gc-0000ED-Hj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:52:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M49GY-0000Ch-1H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:52:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M49GT-0000CB-KK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:52:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45820 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M49GT-0000C8-GX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:53321) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M49GS-0000BT-NV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 May 2009 07:52:30 -0000 Original-Received: from ip-78-94-12-68.unitymediagroup.de (EHLO localhost) [78.94.12.68] by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 13 May 2009 09:52:30 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54312696 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/xiVBktYfxXf0i32ZUzzmrVJHID3bqH7vvfXkbqe Cc4gIDZ/dJPOJc In-Reply-To: <912155b0905130048g7b370174x6d823a7b3076d9d3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2.50 on Emacs 22.3.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.66 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110847 Archived-At: >> For German, say, the tutorial expects that there exists a real file >> called TUTORIAL.de (even if it is a local copy for the user), and >> the corresponding buffer is called TUTORIAL.de too. =A0Currently, we= >> have a buffer name `TUTORIAL (German)'. > = > I really don't think it's a good idea to have filenames ending with > ".". I fully agree. > I file called TUTORIAL.el would be expected to be an Emacs-lisp > file, and not a text file in Greek, etc. (Yes, I realize there is no > TUTORIAL.el in the current emacs.) Couldn't a dash be used instead > of a hyphen in those filenames? Not for the next release, I suggest. It should be changed to something better afterwards. My main point was that it is far less work to undo the changes in tutorial.el than to fix ALL translations (which is quite a lot of work to be done, by many different people). Werner