From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Hageman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:25:47 +0200 Organization: Warty Wolfs Message-ID: <200904192225.AAA28110@basil.xs4all.nl> Reply-To: Tom Hageman , 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240209714 29516 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2009 06:41:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:41:54 +0000 (UTC) To: 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 08:43:13 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LvnDj-0003O6-PV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:43:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43184 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LvnCK-0000NM-SD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:41:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lvfk0-0006J1-BE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:44:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lvfjv-0006GO-Hf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:44:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50986 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lvfjv-0006GK-FH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:43:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:46791) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lvfjv-0002fo-0q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:43:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3JMhqaL016514; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:43:53 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n3JMZ3Sq013988; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:35:03 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Tom Hageman Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:35:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1993 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1993-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1993.124017995812551 (code B ref 1993); Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:35:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 19 Apr 2009 22:25:58 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3JMPshf012545 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:25:56 -0700 Original-Received: from basil.xs4all.nl (trh.demon.nl [83.160.194.18]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3JMPqS5070368 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:25:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trh@xs4all.nl) Original-Received: (from tom@localhost) by basil.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28110 for 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:25:51 +0200 (MET DST) X-Image-URL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~trh/images/Tom_Hageman.tiff X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach [m68k] (Enhance X, Apr 2004) Original-Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:43:59 -0400 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:41:40 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:27360 Archived-At: In article , Jason Rumney wrote: > Adrian Robert wrote: > > Do W32 users face this same issue? That is, does 'alt' play the > > same role on their non-US keyboards as it does on the Mac ones? > > Can we follow Emacs on W32 in that case? > > AltGr is distinct from Alt on Windows, so non-US users just lose one > of the meta keys on their keyboard. There are some users who prefer > to use Alt to access the menus though, and use the windows keys for > meta. Currently this requires a patched version of Emacs to work > properly, we have papers from the author, we are just waiting for > the author to clean up the patch so we can install it, for 23.2 now. Naive suggestion mabe, but as most (all?) Macs also have left- and right- Alt keys, can't one be used as meta and the other kept as alt? Regards, Tom.