On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:43:01AM +0900, Kenichi Handa wrote:
> I've just installed several fixes.  Could you try again?
> 
> Note that now xft backend can distinguish average-width font
> property for BDF/PFC fonts.  So you should be able to see
> the different font with these settings.

I updated from CVS about ten hours ago and all indications are that
this has worked.  I can now see the PCF font exactly as I expect with
or without the Japanese font present.

Thanks very much!  The XFT support is great and beautiful but
sometimes the speed in rendering of the plain old X fonts is best.

> In article <20090414115004.GH6280@metasyntax.net>, Taylor Venable <taylor@metasyntax.net> writes:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:49:48PM +0900, Kenichi Handa wrote:
> > > In article <20090414031419.GF6280@metasyntax.net>, Taylor Venable <taylor@metasyntax.net> writes:
> > > 
> > > > > Ummm, weird.  Please define this function:
> > > > > 
> > > > > (defun font-file-at ()
> > > > >   (interactive)
> > > > >   (message "%s" (aref (query-font (font-at (point))) 1)))
> > > > > 
> > > > > and run it while putting cursor on "abc..." of `default',
> > > > > `mode-line-inactive', and `tooltip' lines in *Faces* buffer
> > > > > that is shown by M-x list-faces-display RET.
> > > 
> > > > First, when the Japanese font is present:
> > > 
> > > > default: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/7x13-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz
> > > > mode-line-inactive: [the same]
> > > > tooltip: [the same]
> > > 
> > > > Strangely enough, the font shown as the example for 'default' is not
> > > > the font used in the buffer display; again it appears to be the semi-
> > > > condensed variant, whereas the font used in the buffer display appears
> > > > to be the correct normal variant.
> > > 
> > > What is reported when you run font-file-at on a character
> > > displayed by that normal variant?
> 
> > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/7x13.pcf.gz
> 
> > In other words, it seems as if this is the font that should be used
> > for the 'default' face.
> 
> > > And, the XLFD of 7x13-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz is:
> > >     -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1
> > > Please run this and check if it is the font you mean by
> > > semicondensed variant?
> > > 
> > > % xfd -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1
> 
> > No, this looks like what I want; in xfontsel it's specified by sWdth =
> > normal and avgWdth = 70.  What I've been calling the "semi-condensed
> > variant" is specified by sWdth = semicondensed and avgWdth = 60.
> 
> > However, I can tell by just looking at it that when that font file
> > name is reported, the font being used is not the one with the XFLD
> > listed above and in my .emacs file.
>  
> > > Also please check if the font shown by this is what you mean
> > > by normal variant:
> > > 
> > > % xfd -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-80-iso8859-1
> 
> > This is too wide; the font that I've told Emacs to use as the default
> > has an avgWdth of 70, not 80.
>  
> > > > If I do M-x customize-face default I notice that the value
> > > > has been set outside customize, and telling it to set for
> > > > the current session redisplays the buffer using the semi-
> > > > condensed face.
> > > 
> > > > When I run this function on 'bold' I get nil.  Finding a face that
> > > > looks like what I want and see in the buffer display, the function
> > > > reports the value as /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/7x13.pcf.gz - but
> > > > the font for the 'bold-italic' face which also looks correct (there is
> > > > no italic slant variant for the -misc-fixed font I'm using) is
> > > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/8x13B-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz
> 
> > Is there meaning to the fact that the function returns nil for the
> > 'bold' face?  Or perhaps it's an unrelated issue?
>  
> > > > ========================================
> > > 
> > > > Without the Japanese font in the font path, I get these:
> > > 
> > > > default: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/7x13.pcf.gz
> > > > bold: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/8x13B-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz
> > > 
> > > I still can't reproduce that phenomenon; i.e. the existence
> > > of Japanese fonts affects the font selection.
> 
> > This is on OpenBSD so maybe there's something weird in how X is setup;
> > I'll find a Linux box today to test on and see if there's any similar
> > or different behaviour there.
> 
> > Thanks,
> 
> > -- 
> > Taylor Christopher Venable
> > http://real.metasyntax.net:2357/
> 

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http://real.metasyntax.net:2357/

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