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From: tomas@tuxteam.de
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Printing
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:51:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090402115119.GA29256@tomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e01d8a50904020352o37065425yc70f36ff3bbd0b1@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 12:52:25PM +0200, Lennart Borgman wrote:

[...]

> Is not this reality versus ideality? I think most users on different
> systems will appreciate that we use the API:s for that system. They
> will know what to do at once then without having to relearn.

In a way, yes, but I think my rant still holds. Even while there is some
truth to what you say above, you are conflating API with "user
interface" ("most users ...will appreciate that we use the APIs... they
will know..."). See? That is the think coming from Microsoft and Apple:
One Big System, from device driver up to desktop environment. And we are
copying that (but I'm getting seriously off-topic with that by now, I
fear).

> And a simple way to do this is to use an intermediate layer like wxwidgets.

For printing? Well, that's what my rant was about :-)

Look at the Gnome guys. There is mount, there is FUSE (I'm sure BSDs
have something similar). Why VFS? Why invent a new way of "mounting"
"file systems" which is dependent on some random desktop environment?
(KDE ain't better in this!).

In our printer case I'd propose to start recognizing that we have
several layers:

  (1) how to render
  (2) how to choose a printer
  (3) how to configure the capabilities of a printer

For (1), I think we'd be fine if we managed to render utf-8 via
one of ps or pdf properly. (2) and (3) might be in the realm of CUPS,
perhaps?

Showing the "standard" "system" "printer dialog box" would fulfill your
proposal above, but that is now an entirely separate point.

Regards, and thanks for beearing with my rant :)

- -- tomás
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-02 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-28 10:31 Printing Андрей Парамонов
2009-03-28 14:56 ` Printing Jan Djärv
2009-03-31  2:13   ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-02  9:39     ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-04  2:44       ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-04  6:54         ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04  7:25           ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-04  9:40         ` Printing Leo
2009-04-04 22:00         ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-04-05  1:07           ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-06  8:03         ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-04-06  8:45           ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-06 11:47             ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-04-06 23:47               ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-07  1:01                 ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-04-07  1:14                   ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-08  1:19                     ` Future of display engine [Re: Printing] Kenichi Handa
2009-04-08  1:53                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-07  9:46         ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-08  1:33           ` Printing Kenichi Handa
2009-05-01 23:30             ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-04-19 10:21           ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-05  3:06             ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07  3:38               ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-07 11:25                 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-08  1:04                   ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-08  1:25                     ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-08  2:15                       ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-05-08 10:59                         ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-09 14:50                   ` Printing Jason Rumney
2012-05-09 14:58                     ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 12:46                 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 13:07                   ` Printing joakim
2012-05-07 17:20                   ` Printing Simon Leinen
2012-05-08  1:11                     ` Printing YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-03-28 15:46 ` Printing Michael Ekstrand
2009-03-28 18:37 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-03-28 20:52   ` Printing Андрей Парамонов
2009-03-30 13:06     ` Printing Michael Ekstrand
2009-03-30 15:24       ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-03-30 18:38         ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-31  1:56           ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-03-31  3:15             ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01  0:52               ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-01  3:14                 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01  4:17                   ` Printing Miles Bader
2009-04-01 17:53                     ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01  4:24                   ` Printing Jason Rumney
2009-04-01 17:56                     ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01  8:11                   ` Printing Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-04-01 14:36                   ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-01 18:16                     ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-01 23:42                       ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 13:02                       ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-04-02 19:37                         ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-02 10:08                   ` Printing tomas
2009-04-02 10:52                     ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 11:51                       ` tomas [this message]
2009-04-02 11:49                         ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 13:37                           ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 13:47                             ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-04-02 13:55                               ` Printing Samuel Bronson
2009-04-02 14:24                                 ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-04-02 14:34                                   ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 14:00                             ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02 16:15                               ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 16:47                                 ` Printing Reiner Steib
2009-04-02 19:44                                 ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-03  0:43                                   ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 20:56                                 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04  0:00                                   ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04  0:36                                     ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-04  0:45                                       ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04  1:05                                         ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-04-04  6:52                                           ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04  8:57                                     ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-04  9:22                                       ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-04  9:49                                         ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-28 20:30 ` Printing James Cloos
2009-03-29  2:15 ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-29  3:20   ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30  1:17     ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-30  3:10       ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30  6:36         ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-30 18:41           ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 19:04             ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-30 20:48               ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 20:53                 ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-30 20:59                   ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 21:27                     ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-03-31  3:19                       ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-30 21:46                   ` Printing Óscar Fuentes
2009-03-30 21:50         ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-31  3:18           ` Printing Eli Zaretskii
2009-03-31 19:14             ` Printing Richard M Stallman
2009-03-30 18:03   ` Printing Андрей Парамонов
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
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2022-12-17 13:09 ` printing tomas
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2022-12-14 17:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-16 15:27   ` printing Gottfried
2022-12-16 22:26     ` printing Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-17  6:29       ` printing tomas
2022-12-17  7:41         ` printing Emanuel Berg
2022-12-17 13:48     ` printing Gottfried
2022-12-17 16:30       ` printing tomas
2016-03-03 14:35 Printing Sharon Kimble
2016-03-03 20:22 ` Printing tomas
2016-03-05 13:40 ` Printing Robert Thorpe
2009-04-01 17:22 Printing grischka
2009-04-01 18:55 ` Printing David De La Harpe Golden
2009-04-01 18:58   ` Printing David De La Harpe Golden
2009-04-01 20:51   ` Printing grischka
2009-04-01 21:19   ` Printing Lennart Borgman
2009-04-02  0:09   ` Printing David De La Harpe Golden
2009-04-01 23:32 ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02  2:33   ` Printing grischka
2009-04-02  3:05     ` Printing Samuel Bronson
2009-04-02 13:41       ` Printing grischka
2009-04-02 13:31     ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2009-04-02 18:39       ` Printing grischka
2009-04-02 18:53         ` Printing Stefan Monnier
2003-03-18 21:18 printing Kevin Reeder

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