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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Interactive hat.
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:51:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090326115154.GB3358@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ocvplkb5.fsf@catnip.gol.com>

Hi, Miles!

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:59:58PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
> > Now the question arises, if we've got the property
> > `handle-shift-select', doesn't the "^" in the interactive string become
> > redundant?

> Not at all.  For the vast majority of uses -- functions distributed with
> emacs (and in external packages that don't care about xemacs or older
> versions of emacs), it's more convenient and prettier.

It is, perhaps, more convenient, but prettier?  Well, let's just say
that it is possible to take different viewpoints on this.  Mine is that
it's an ugly hack, utterly different from anything that's gone before,
and it will have negative implications, not all of which will be
foreseen before the release of Emacs 23.  I think it's more "clever"
than smart, a bit like C++'s abuse of the shift-left operator:

    cout << (byte_count << 3) ;

.  Somebody will end up having to code round it.  

If it's possible to code everything we need with a symbol property, I
think the interactive hat mechanism should be removed.

There are currently only 28 defuns (in simple.el, lisp.el and
paragraphs.el) which use this, so changing them to use a property
instead would be a trivial amount of work.

> -Miles

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).




  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-26 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090324154937.GB4657@muc.de>
2009-03-23 22:37 ` bug#2760: CUA-like stuff spuriously enables transient-mark-mode Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-24  0:46   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-24 13:52     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-25  1:38       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-25 10:16         ` Interactive hat. [Was: CUA-like stuff spuriously enables transient-mark-mode] Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-25 10:30           ` Interactive hat Miles Bader
2009-03-25 10:53             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-25 11:03               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-03-25 14:24                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 11:29                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-25 14:59               ` Miles Bader
2009-03-26 11:51                 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2009-03-26 12:14                   ` David Kastrup
2009-03-26 12:51                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 13:48                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-26 14:33                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 16:30                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-26 16:45                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 18:57                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-29  0:44                             ` Kim F. Storm
2009-03-29  1:40                               ` Miles Bader
2009-03-29  2:02                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-03-26 14:47                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-03-26 15:23                       ` Miles Bader
2009-03-26 17:43                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-03-25 16:18             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-25 11:26           ` Interactive hat. [Was: CUA-like stuff spuriously enables transient-mark-mode] Juanma Barranquero
2009-03-25 13:20             ` Interactive hat Chong Yidong
2009-03-25 14:19             ` Interactive hat. [Was: CUA-like stuff spuriously enables transient-mark-mode] Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-25 16:41               ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-03-26 12:44                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 13:50                   ` Interactive hat Stefan Monnier
2009-03-26 15:27                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 17:09                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-26 19:06                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 21:18                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-26 22:32                             ` Johan Bockgård
2009-03-26 23:34                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-26 23:32                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-27  2:50                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-27 11:15                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-13 19:32                                 ` Interactive hat. (Patch) Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-13 20:47                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-14 20:15                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-14 20:47                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                     ` <20090423205030.GA2723@muc.de>
2009-04-24 13:38                                       ` Interactive hat. (Patch V2) Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-27 11:46                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-27 18:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 22:33                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-29  7:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-29 11:36                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-29 13:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-07 19:14                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-28  0:14                                           ` Karl Berry
2009-04-28  1:12                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-04-28  7:55                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 21:44                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-28 21:39                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-13 22:50                                   ` Interactive hat. (Patch) Miles Bader
2009-04-14 20:22                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-04-14 20:49                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-15  8:29                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-03-24 15:55   ` bug#2760: marked as done (CUA-like stuff spuriously enables transient-mark-mode.) Emacs bug Tracking System
2009-03-27  0:20 Interactive hat naesten

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