bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

[Jared Finder]

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The colors chosen for the compilation status are very hard on the eyes with the default mode-line colors.  Please change the compilation status to use darker colors.



  -- MJF





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bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

[Dan Nicolaescu]

Jared Finder <jfinder@crypticstudios.com> writes:

  > The colors chosen for the compilation status are very hard on the eyes with the
  > default mode-line colors.  Please change the compilation status to use darker
  > colors.

Can you please explain what do you mean?

If you are talking about the color used to display "error" in case there
was a compilation error, that color is loud by design.

bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

[Jared Finder]

Sure.

I'm referring to the color used by the compilation status in the mode line (one of :exit[0], :exit[SOMETHING ELSE], or :run).  The orange and green used here hurt. The red is passable, but still not good.

I believe the mode-line and mode-line inactive faces contribute the background color and compilation-error, compilation-warning, and compilation-info contribute the foreground color.  The problem is that they don't contrast well with the mode-line's default bg colors.  Orange on Gray75 hurts my eyes, as does Green3 on Gray75, or Red1 on Gray75. 

I'd suggest using darker foreground colors, so they don't hurt my eyes.

  -- MJF

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Nicolaescu [mailto:dann@ics.uci.edu] 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:32 PM
To: Jared Finder
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Subject: Re: bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

Jared Finder <jfinder@crypticstudios.com> writes:

  > The colors chosen for the compilation status are very hard on the eyes with the
  > default mode-line colors.  Please change the compilation status to use darker
  > colors.

Can you please explain what do you mean?

If you are talking about the color used to display "error" in case there
was a compilation error, that color is loud by design.

bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

[Juri Linkov]

> Sure.
>
> I'm referring to the color used by the compilation status in the mode
> line (one of :exit[0], :exit[SOMETHING ELSE], or :run).  The orange
> and green used here hurt. The red is passable, but still not good.
>
> I believe the mode-line and mode-line inactive faces contribute the
> background color and compilation-error, compilation-warning, and
> compilation-info contribute the foreground color.  The problem is that
> they don't contrast well with the mode-line's default bg colors.
> Orange on Gray75 hurts my eyes, as does Green3 on Gray75, or Red1
> on Gray75.
>
> I'd suggest using darker foreground colors, so they don't hurt
> my eyes.

Or maybe using a light background (white) for these messages in the
mode-line, i.e. to use exacly the same default foreground/background
they currently have in a compilation/grep buffer.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

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The colors chosen for the compilation status are very hard on the eyes with the default mode-line colors.  Please change the compilation status to use darker colors.



  -- MJF





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From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: Jared Finder <jfinder@crypticstudios.com>, 2454-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
Subject: Re: bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:50:41 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <200902251750.n1PHofPD012730@rodan.ics.uci.edu>

Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org> writes:

  > > Sure.
  > >
  > > I'm referring to the color used by the compilation status in the mode
  > > line (one of :exit[0], :exit[SOMETHING ELSE], or :run).  The orange
  > > and green used here hurt. The red is passable, but still not good.
  > >
  > > I believe the mode-line and mode-line inactive faces contribute the
  > > background color and compilation-error, compilation-warning, and
  > > compilation-info contribute the foreground color.  The problem is that
  > > they don't contrast well with the mode-line's default bg colors.
  > > Orange on Gray75 hurts my eyes, as does Green3 on Gray75, or Red1
  > > on Gray75.
  > >
  > > I'd suggest using darker foreground colors, so they don't hurt
  > > my eyes.

Colors are something that absolutely impossible to get everyone to agree on.
The code in question has been in CVS for one year, many people have said
they liked it.  
Now we got one person that does not.
This is about as good of a consensus on colors that we can get.

Plus, given that the faces are used to highlight <10 characters in the
mode-line, and the text is always the same.  The only thing that matters
is the color.  
Users don't need to read the text as soon as they recognize the color:
red -- an error, green -- great, it worked.
This feature was implemented using already defined faces, adding new
faces for something just in that modeline is not worth it.

All this being said, this is not a bug, so I am going to close it.


  > Or maybe using a light background (white) for these messages in the
  > mode-line, i.e. to use exacly the same default foreground/background
  > they currently have in a compilation/grep buffer.

That would be even more controversial, we don't have anything else in
the mode-line that uses the default foreground.

bug#2454: closed by Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> (Re: bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes)

[Jared Finder]

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I've attached a picture of the contrast that I dislike.  If you don't believe that this eyesore is a problem (and I mean it literally, not figuratively), then I'll just fix the problem with a local customization.

  -- MJF

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bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

[Juri Linkov]

> I've attached a picture of the contrast that I dislike.
> If you don't believe that this eyesore is a problem
> (and I mean it literally, not figuratively), then I'll
> just fix the problem with a local customization.

I know where the problem comes from.  The default foreground color
for the compilation warning face is too light, so it is hardly
readable on a light background.  It is a bad color for the default
white background, and almost impossible for the mode-line where
its background makes the contrast close to none.

I think we should change the default light color `Orange'
to a slightly darker color.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

[Jared Finder]

Yes.

Please do the same analysis to the error and success colors as well.  The Red used by error needs it least, but they are all relatively bright.

  -- MJF

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To: Jared Finder
Cc: 2454@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
Subject: Re: bug#2454: 23.0.90; Colored Compilation Status is hard on the eyes

> I've attached a picture of the contrast that I dislike.
> If you don't believe that this eyesore is a problem
> (and I mean it literally, not figuratively), then I'll
> just fix the problem with a local customization.

I know where the problem comes from.  The default foreground color
for the compilation warning face is too light, so it is hardly
readable on a light background.  It is a bad color for the default
white background, and almost impossible for the mode-line where
its background makes the contrast close to none.

I think we should change the default light color `Orange'
to a slightly darker color.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/