From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Don Armstrong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Don't report new bugs for Rmail?? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:19:29 -0800 Message-ID: <20090131211929.GT4175@volo.donarmstrong.com> References: <20090131104403.GQ4175@volo.donarmstrong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233436781 31296 80.91.229.12 (31 Jan 2009 21:19:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:19:41 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 31 22:20:53 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LTNGj-0000FV-GU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:20:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38281 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LTNFR-000353-6x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:19:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LTNFM-00034v-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:19:24 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LTNFI-00034b-NS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:19:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36485 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LTNFI-00034Y-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:19:20 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:39227) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LTNFI-0008Cb-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:19:20 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0VLJILS027370 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:19:18 -0800 Original-Received: (from remotemail@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n0VLJIqV027369 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:19:18 -0800 Original-Received: (nullmailer pid 6826 invoked by uid 1000); Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:19:29 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108476 Archived-At: On Sat, 31 Jan 2009, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > From: Juanma Barranquero > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:19, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Sorry, I'm not following: if there's no Rmail package, how come > > > the bug tracker finds bugs by that package? What am I missing? Because there are bugs assigned to that package. > > At the moment, "packages" in the Emacs bugtracker are just > > arbitrary labels. The tracker allows searching for these labels. They're not "just arbitrary labels". > It's a bad thing to call "package" to two different things. How > about calling the labels "labels" instead? Because they're not labels, they're packages. Debbugs allows people to assign bugs to packages that don't have a maintainer, but suggests that people not do so, because in the typical case it means that no one looks at them. If rmail (or anything else) is going to be used as a valid package to assign bugs to, it should have a maintainer, and whoever wants it created should tell me that they want it created and what the maintainer is. > > A package, apparently, is a label plus some other data, like a > > maintainer name & address, etc. There's no package defined for > > Emacs. There is a package defined for emacs. There is also one for bzr, aquamacs, octave, and a few other things. There isn't one for rmail. > Fine, but the "don't submit bug reports" request is misleading and > should be removed or rephrased, IMO. Bug reports against packages that don't have a maintainer shouldn't be submitted, because there's no indication that someone is going to look at them. In this case, the error is that no one has asked for the rmail package to be created. There's no difference between rmail and the foobarbaz package in this case. Don Armstrong -- One day I put instant coffee in my microwave oven and almost went back in time. -- Steven Wright http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu