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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Richard M Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: Moving to bzr?
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:32:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090106143236.GA5612@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1LKB58-0007p3-AR@fencepost.gnu.org>

Hi, everybody!

On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 07:30:50AM -0500, Richard M Stallman wrote:
>>  Since this discussion still seems to be ongoing, do I take it to mean
>>  that there is some flexibility on this issue?

> There is a little: if bzr is not working fast enough, we will ask the
> maintainers to improve it, and wait for them to do so before we adopt
> it.  But we are not going to switch to some other version control
> system.

Can we please all accept that this decision has been made?  That we are
going to switch to bazaar, NOT to subversion, NOT to git, NOT to darcs
and NOT to mercurial.  Please?

It doesn't really matter all that much, technically, which dVCS we switch
to.  Any of them would give us advantages over CVS, and CVS works
reasonably well for us.  Emacs development is about C, Lisp, and Texinfo,
not about managing code repositories.  So let us just accept bazaar, the
only questions remaining being "when?" and "how?", and restrict mention
of other systems to things helpful for improving bazaar.

No matter how good these other VCSs are (and they are good), even if they
are better than bazaar (for whatever value of "better"), the decision has
been made.  There are too many Emacs developers to take this decision as
a democratic committee, which is why we have Richard, Stefan and Yidong
as leaders.  Making decisions stick is hard work, and it can become
exhausting, to say nothing of mind numbingly tedious, if they are
continually brought into question.  (Yes, I know I've been guilty of this
too.)

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-06 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 339+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-04 12:42 Moving to bzr? dhruva
2009-01-04 13:35 ` Christian Faulhammer
2009-01-04 13:50 ` David Reitter
2009-01-04 15:41 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-04 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-05  3:50   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05  4:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-05  5:49       ` dhruva
2009-01-05  6:35       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05 22:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-05 23:37           ` Chetan Pandya
2009-01-06 12:30             ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-06 13:14               ` Paul R
2009-01-06 14:32               ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2009-01-06 14:51                 ` Will Farrington
2009-01-06  4:29           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-06 20:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-06 20:38               ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 22:03                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-06 22:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 22:58                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-07  0:53                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07  3:43                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07  3:50                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-07  8:31                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07 11:47                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07 12:00                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07 12:23                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 23:00                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07  0:56                       ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                   ` <87zli4jcc4.fsf@workhorse.earlhome>
2009-01-07  3:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                       ` <87vdsrjcco.fsf@workhorse.earlhome>
2009-01-09  1:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-18 22:56                           ` bzr repository ready? (was: Moving to bzr?) Karl Fogel
     [not found]                             ` <87eiyy3lag.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-21  5:11                               ` bzr repository ready? Karl Fogel
2009-01-21  9:32                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-22  5:59                                   ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                 ` <874ozs34c6.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-22  6:15                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-22  8:24                                     ` dhruva
2009-01-22 14:34                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-23 17:00                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-24  4:21                                         ` dhruva
2009-01-24 12:07                                           ` [Savannah-help-public] " Sylvain Beucler
2009-10-14  0:49                                         ` Daniel Clemente
2009-10-14  3:00                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-10-24 19:38                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-10-24 23:57                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-10-30 23:38                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-09 16:53                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-09 23:56                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-11 22:45                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-11 23:06                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12  2:34                                                           ` Jason Earl
2009-11-12  4:16                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12  4:35                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12  4:40                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 15:21                                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-12 15:39                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 17:37                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 18:01                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 20:11                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 23:37                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13  0:14                                                                           ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  9:38                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 10:35                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 13:36                                                                                 ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  0:13                                                                         ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  1:12                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-13 14:33                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13 14:47                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13 15:08                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 17:47                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-14 10:45                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-14 14:54                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-14 20:11                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 18:19                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 12:01                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 15:03                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-12 18:14                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 13:55                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 18:31                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 20:18                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 20:57                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 22:04                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 22:51                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13  9:42                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 11:11                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-18 22:29                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-18 23:08                                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-19  3:56                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-18 23:09                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19  5:31                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 13:34                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 19:22                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 19:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-20 20:39                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-20 21:20                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-20 22:46                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21  5:05                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  5:34                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21  6:59                                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 20:08                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 23:58                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  5:58                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23  6:41                                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 15:47                                                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 16:58                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:24                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-29 20:52                                                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-30  6:18                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-30  6:23                                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 12:37                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 14:17                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 17:17                                                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 18:18                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 17:08                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 12:32                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 12:12                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 22:49                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21  0:53                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 12:31                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 16:45                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 19:29                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 20:17                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 21:28                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 22:51                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  4:19                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22  0:54                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22  4:25                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22  6:11                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  6:53                                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-22 14:45                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  2:28                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23  3:09                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 20:38                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 22:19                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 21:02                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25 22:19                                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-26  6:23                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-26  8:34                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:36                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27 16:30                                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-27 16:52                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-27 17:18                                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-28  3:09                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27 19:06                                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27 19:22                                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-28  6:45                                                                                                                               ` tomas
2009-11-28  9:57                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-28 16:49                                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <E1NDXkp-0007Qr-VK@fencepost.gnu.org>
2009-11-26  7:09                                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-25 22:26                                                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-25 23:14                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-25 23:58                                                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-26  1:31                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-26  1:07                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:35                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27  8:17                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:36                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27  9:14                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  9:21                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-27 13:44                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-28  3:10                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-28  6:50                                                                                                                       ` tomas
2009-11-28  7:06                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  1:16                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-29  4:06                                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  4:18                                                                                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-29  5:39                                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  4:18                                                                                                                             ` 
2009-11-30 15:52                                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-30 16:31                                                                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-30  2:10                                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-01  4:10                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-01  6:39                                                                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-05  6:50                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-05 17:44                                                                                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  3:09                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 20:38                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 22:22                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-24 22:47                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  1:46                                                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 22:36                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  3:17                                                                                                       ` Glenn Morris
2009-11-22  5:13                                                                                                 ` Jason Earl
2009-11-22  7:19                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 20:32                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-22 21:37                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 23:15                                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  9:45                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 13:08                                                                                                     ` tomas
2009-11-22 23:43                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23  4:39                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  0:05                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23  6:44                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:30                                                                                                         ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 23:41                                                                                                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-24  0:01                                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-24  1:19                                                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-24  2:04                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 23:41                                                                                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-25  5:28                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21  4:41                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21  4:39                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-21 12:14                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 23:23                                                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 12:06                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 14:40                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 16:27                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 18:13                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 18:26                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 22:52                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-22  1:00                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 21:06                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-20 21:56                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-20 22:47                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 22:51                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 22:52                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-21  5:12                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  4:38                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 10:43                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 16:10                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 19:32                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 19:58                                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-22 20:55                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-22 21:29                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  2:33                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-22 22:59                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  2:45                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23  3:20                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  4:34                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 19:38                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 19:01                                                                             ` Glenn Morris
2009-11-22 23:41                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  0:00                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  4:36                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  5:11                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  5:50                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23  7:35                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 14:39                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 15:17                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 16:45                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 18:06                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:36                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 22:59                                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-24  1:14                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-24 22:47                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  8:55                                                                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 10:32                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 17:48                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 18:22                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25 19:26                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 20:01                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25 18:53                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-24  4:20                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24  1:33                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24  7:28                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24  9:35                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 11:04                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24 11:54                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 14:58                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25  5:39                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 21:01                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-24  2:56                                                                                           ` Making the tarball with bzr data (was: bzr repository ready?) Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-30 16:34                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-30 18:46                                                                                               ` Making the tarball with bzr data Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-30 18:52                                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 12:11                                                                                       ` bzr repository ready? Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 14:28                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 18:52                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 12:07                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19  0:49                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-19  5:02                                                                       ` Ken Raeburn
2009-11-19  6:38                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 13:23                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 19:33                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-23 17:56                                     ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                       ` <874ozp4ld3.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-28 21:24                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-29  9:30                                           ` Daniel Clemente
2009-01-29 18:19                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-29 18:50                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-29 20:18                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-30  9:06                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-30 15:50                                                     ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                           ` <87y6wvhxrk.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <8763jwg1j8.fsf@red-bean.com>
2009-01-30 19:38                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-30 20:01                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-30 20:24                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-31  1:03                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-31  5:02                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-31  8:59                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-02-04 17:28                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-02-04 20:48                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2009-02-04 22:49                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-02-06 20:19                                                               ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                                                 ` <87k583nnxc.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-02-07  3:42                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-23 14:53                                         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                           ` <871vrj8ew5.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-04-24  0:31                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-28 16:11                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-28 16:33                                             ` Samuel Bronson
2009-04-28 17:29                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-28 17:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 18:11                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  7:08                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 18:30                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-28 19:31                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  1:07                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-29  7:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-29 14:30                                                   ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                               ` <87fxfsr1md.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-04-28 21:56                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  7:08                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 23:47                                             ` Jason Rumney
2009-04-29  1:27                                               ` Samuel Bronson
2009-04-30 19:39                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-21 23:33                       ` Moving to bzr? John Yates
2009-01-22  1:57                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-22 15:40                           ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-13 18:58       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-01-05  9:48     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-05 11:07       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05 14:52         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-05 11:39       ` dhruva
2009-01-05 12:14         ` Nick Roberts
2009-01-05 12:26           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-05 12:34           ` dhruva
     [not found]         ` <87wsd9tqt6.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-06  3:29           ` dhruva
2009-01-06  6:07             ` dhruva
2009-01-06  6:21               ` 马旋(SuperMMX)
2009-01-06 11:42             ` Daniel Clemente
2009-01-04 18:09 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-09  9:31   ` Miles Bader
2009-01-09 10:35     ` dhruva
2009-01-09 20:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-09 20:26         ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-10  9:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-10  2:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-10  3:06           ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-10  9:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-10 20:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-10  9:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-04 21:41 ` Richard M Stallman

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