* implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
@ 2008-12-18 9:16 Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-18 20:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2008-12-18 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
These functions are needed so that M-x proced can work. They need
system specific implementation. At the moment they are only supported
on GNU/Linux and Windows.
There are a few warts in getting these 2 functions supported on Solaris,
and I would like some feedback.
1. First some include hackery:
#ifdef SOLARIS2
#if !defined (_LP64) && defined (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS) && (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS == 64)
#define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 1
#undef _FILE_OFFSET_BITS
#else
#define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 0
#endif
#include <procfs.h>
#if PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK == 1
#define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
#endif
#endif /* SOLARIS2 */
procfs.h is the header file that contains the proc data structures, but
it has an #error if compiled in 32 bit mode and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS is
64.
emacs/src/config.in will define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS to 64 when compiled on
a 32 bit solaris system. Hence the above hackery.
2. process.c has a function `procfs_list_system_processes' that works on
Solaris (and probably on all systems that use a /proc).
The problem is that procfs_list_system_processes is inside a #ifdef HAVE_PROCFS
that contains a few other functions (time_from_jiffies, get_up_time)
that are Linux specific.
Should I move those functions inside a #ifdef LINUX ?
3. An implementation for the Solaris version of
system-process-attributes is at the end of this message.
4. Flist_system_processes and Fsystem_process_attributes use the
LISTPROC and PROCATTR macros for function calls that need to be defined in src/s/*.h
These macros are different from how other platform specific functions
are implemented in emacs, and they seem to be a bit redundant: the
functions to implement these are system specific anyway....
So what's the best way to integrate Solaris support?
Again the existing procfs_list_system_processes function can probably be
used by all systems using /proc, but procfs_system_process_attributes
is very likely to be OS specific.
Thanks
static Lisp_Object
procfs_system_process_attributes (pid)
Lisp_Object pid;
{
char procfn[PATH_MAX], fn[PATH_MAX];
struct stat st;
struct passwd *pw;
struct group *gr;
char *procfn_end;
struct psinfo pinfo;
int fd;
ssize_t nread;
int proc_id, uid, gid;
Lisp_Object attrs = Qnil;
Lisp_Object decoded_cmd, tem;
struct gcpro gcpro1, gcpro2;
EMACS_INT uid_eint, gid_eint;
CHECK_NUMBER_OR_FLOAT (pid);
proc_id = FLOATP (pid) ? XFLOAT_DATA (pid) : XINT (pid);
sprintf (procfn, "/proc/%lu", proc_id);
if (stat (procfn, &st) < 0)
return attrs;
GCPRO2 (attrs, decoded_cmd);
/* euid egid */
uid = st.st_uid;
/* Use of EMACS_INT stops GCC whining about limited range of data type. */
uid_eint = uid;
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qeuid, make_fixnum_or_float (uid_eint)), attrs);
BLOCK_INPUT;
pw = getpwuid (uid);
UNBLOCK_INPUT;
if (pw)
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Quser, build_string (pw->pw_name)), attrs);
gid = st.st_gid;
gid_eint = gid;
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qegid, make_fixnum_or_float (gid_eint)), attrs);
BLOCK_INPUT;
gr = getgrgid (gid);
UNBLOCK_INPUT;
if (gr)
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qgroup, build_string (gr->gr_name)), attrs);
strcpy (fn, procfn);
procfn_end = fn + strlen (fn);
strcpy (procfn_end, "/psinfo");
fd = emacs_open (fn, O_RDONLY, 0);
if (fd >= 0
&& (nread = read (fd, (char*)&pinfo, sizeof(struct psinfo)) > 0))
{
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qppid, make_fixnum_or_float (pinfo.pr_ppid)), attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qpgrp, make_fixnum_or_float (pinfo.pr_pgid)), attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qsess, make_fixnum_or_float (pinfo.pr_sid)), attrs);
{
char state_str[2];
state_str[0] = pinfo.pr_lwp.pr_sname;
state_str[1] = '\0';
tem = build_string (state_str);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qstate, tem), attrs);
}
/* FIXME: missing Qttyname. psinfo.pr_ttydev is a dev_t,
need to get a string from it. */
/* FIXME: missing: Qtpgid */
/* FIXME: missing:
Qminflt
Qmajflt
Qcminflt
Qcmajflt
Qstime
Qcstime
Are they available? */
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qutime,
list3 (make_number (pinfo.pr_time.tv_sec >> 16),
make_number (pinfo.pr_time.tv_sec & 0xffff),
make_number (pinfo.pr_time.tv_nsec))),
attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qcutime,
list3 (make_number (pinfo.pr_ctime.tv_sec >> 16),
make_number (pinfo.pr_ctime.tv_sec & 0xffff),
make_number (pinfo.pr_ctime.tv_nsec))),
attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qpri, make_number (pinfo.pr_lwp.pr_pri)), attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qnice, make_number (pinfo.pr_lwp.pr_nice)), attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qthcount, make_fixnum_or_float (pinfo.pr_nlwp)), attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qstart,
list3 (make_number (pinfo.pr_start.tv_sec >> 16),
make_number (pinfo.pr_start.tv_sec & 0xffff),
make_number (pinfo.pr_start.tv_nsec))),
attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qvsize, make_fixnum_or_float (pinfo.pr_size)), attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qrss, make_fixnum_or_float (pinfo.pr_rssize)), attrs);
/* pr_pctcpu and pr_pctmem are encoded as a fixed point 16 bit number in [0 ... 1] */
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qpcpu, (pinfo.pr_pctcpu * 100.0) / (double)0x8000), attrs);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qpmem, (pinfo.pr_pctmem * 100.0) / (double)0x8000), attrs);
decoded_cmd
= code_convert_string_norecord (make_unibyte_string (pinfo.pr_fname,
strlen (pinfo.pr_fname)),
Vlocale_coding_system, 0);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qcomm, decoded_cmd), attrs);
decoded_cmd
= code_convert_string_norecord (make_unibyte_string (pinfo.pr_psargs,
strlen (pinfo.pr_psargs)),
Vlocale_coding_system, 0);
attrs = Fcons (Fcons (Qargs, decoded_cmd), attrs);
}
UNGCPRO;
return attrs;
}
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-18 9:16 implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes Dan Nicolaescu
@ 2008-12-18 20:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-19 7:45 ` Dan Nicolaescu
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2008-12-18 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Nicolaescu; +Cc: emacs-devel
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:16:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
>
> #ifdef SOLARIS2
> #if !defined (_LP64) && defined (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS) && (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS == 64)
> #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 1
> #undef _FILE_OFFSET_BITS
> #else
> #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 0
> #endif
> #include <procfs.h>
> #if PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK == 1
> #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
> #endif
> #endif /* SOLARIS2 */
>
> procfs.h is the header file that contains the proc data structures, but
> it has an #error if compiled in 32 bit mode and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS is
> 64.
> emacs/src/config.in will define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS to 64 when compiled on
> a 32 bit solaris system. Hence the above hackery.
Can this hackery be moved to a Solaris-specific header file in src/s/ ?
> 2. process.c has a function `procfs_list_system_processes' that works on
> Solaris (and probably on all systems that use a /proc).
> The problem is that procfs_list_system_processes is inside a #ifdef HAVE_PROCFS
> that contains a few other functions (time_from_jiffies, get_up_time)
> that are Linux specific.
> Should I move those functions inside a #ifdef LINUX ?
I guess GNU_LINUX would be better, and perhaps move them to sysdep.c
while at that.
> 4. Flist_system_processes and Fsystem_process_attributes use the
> LISTPROC and PROCATTR macros for function calls that need to be defined in src/s/*.h
> These macros are different from how other platform specific functions
> are implemented in emacs, and they seem to be a bit redundant: the
> functions to implement these are system specific anyway....
I hoped that systems with procfs will have only minor differences,
that's why I opted for these macros. In addition, having the macros
provides an easy way of switching between 2 different implementations
on the same platform. But these are not very important reasons, so I
don't object to some different solution.
> So what's the best way to integrate Solaris support?
> Again the existing procfs_list_system_processes function can probably be
> used by all systems using /proc, but procfs_system_process_attributes
> is very likely to be OS specific.
If /proc systems are different to the degree that splitting them into
a common part and OS-specific parts is impractical or unjustified, I
think the implementations of procfs_system_process_attributes should
be moved to sysdep.c, and there we could have a separate variant for
each OS.
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-18 20:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2008-12-19 7:45 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-19 8:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-19 8:48 ` Miles Bader
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2008-12-19 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:16:19 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
> >
> > #ifdef SOLARIS2
> > #if !defined (_LP64) && defined (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS) && (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS == 64)
> > #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 1
> > #undef _FILE_OFFSET_BITS
> > #else
> > #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 0
> > #endif
> > #include <procfs.h>
> > #if PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK == 1
> > #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
> > #endif
> > #endif /* SOLARIS2 */
> >
> > procfs.h is the header file that contains the proc data structures, but
> > it has an #error if compiled in 32 bit mode and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS is
> > 64.
> > emacs/src/config.in will define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS to 64 when compiled on
> > a 32 bit solaris system. Hence the above hackery.
>
> Can this hackery be moved to a Solaris-specific header file in src/s/ ?
That file is included everywhere, so it might not be a good idea at this point.
> > 2. process.c has a function `procfs_list_system_processes' that works on
> > Solaris (and probably on all systems that use a /proc).
> > The problem is that procfs_list_system_processes is inside a #ifdef HAVE_PROCFS
> > that contains a few other functions (time_from_jiffies, get_up_time)
> > that are Linux specific.
> > Should I move those functions inside a #ifdef LINUX ?
>
> I guess GNU_LINUX would be better, and perhaps move them to sysdep.c
> while at that.
How does this sound:
- move the procfs_list_system_processes and procfs_system_process_attributes to sysdep.c
- remove the procfs_ prefix
- add the proper #defines (HAVE_PROCFS can probably be used by a few OSes)
- the default implementations just return Qnil
- make Fsystem_process_attributes and Flist_system_processes just call
list_system_processes and system_process_attributes
- rename the w32 versions to system_process_attributes and list_system_processes
- remove the PROCATTR and LISTPROC macros
?
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-19 7:45 ` Dan Nicolaescu
@ 2008-12-19 8:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-19 19:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-19 8:48 ` Miles Bader
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2008-12-19 8:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Nicolaescu; +Cc: emacs-devel
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:45:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:16:19 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
> > >
> > > #ifdef SOLARIS2
> > > #if !defined (_LP64) && defined (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS) && (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS == 64)
> > > #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 1
> > > #undef _FILE_OFFSET_BITS
> > > #else
> > > #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 0
> > > #endif
> > > #include <procfs.h>
> > > #if PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK == 1
> > > #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
> > > #endif
> > > #endif /* SOLARIS2 */
> > >
> > > procfs.h is the header file that contains the proc data structures, but
> > > it has an #error if compiled in 32 bit mode and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS is
> > > 64.
> > > emacs/src/config.in will define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS to 64 when compiled on
> > > a 32 bit solaris system. Hence the above hackery.
> >
> > Can this hackery be moved to a Solaris-specific header file in src/s/ ?
>
> That file is included everywhere, so it might not be a good idea at this point.
It's just too ugly, so if there's a good place to hide it out of
sight, I'd be happier.
> How does this sound:
> - move the procfs_list_system_processes and procfs_system_process_attributes to sysdep.c
> - remove the procfs_ prefix
> - add the proper #defines (HAVE_PROCFS can probably be used by a few OSes)
> - the default implementations just return Qnil
> - make Fsystem_process_attributes and Flist_system_processes just call
> list_system_processes and system_process_attributes
> - rename the w32 versions to system_process_attributes and list_system_processes
> - remove the PROCATTR and LISTPROC macros
> ?
Sounds good to me.
Btw, it strikes me that the default implementation could return the
Emacs process instead of Qnil, but that can wait for another rainy
day.
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-19 7:45 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-19 8:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2008-12-19 8:48 ` Miles Bader
2008-12-19 19:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Miles Bader @ 2008-12-19 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Nicolaescu; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel
Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
> How does this sound:
> - move the procfs_list_system_processes and procfs_system_process_attributes to sysdep.c
> - remove the procfs_ prefix
> - add the proper #defines (HAVE_PROCFS can probably be used by a few OSes)
> - the default implementations just return Qnil
> - make Fsystem_process_attributes and Flist_system_processes just call
> list_system_processes and system_process_attributes
> - rename the w32 versions to system_process_attributes and list_system_processes
> - remove the PROCATTR and LISTPROC macros
> ?
... and while you're at it, rename Fsystem_process_attributes to
"Fprocess_attributes" and make it also accept emacs process objects as
an argument, ala signal-process.
-Miles
--
"Suppose He doesn't give a shit? Suppose there is a God but He
just doesn't give a shit?" [George Carlin]
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-19 8:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2008-12-19 19:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-20 12:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2008-12-19 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:45:32 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> > > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:16:19 -0800 (PST)
> > > > From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
> > > >
> > > > #ifdef SOLARIS2
> > > > #if !defined (_LP64) && defined (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS) && (_FILE_OFFSET_BITS == 64)
> > > > #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 1
> > > > #undef _FILE_OFFSET_BITS
> > > > #else
> > > > #define PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK 0
> > > > #endif
> > > > #include <procfs.h>
> > > > #if PROCFS_FILE_OFFSET_BITS_HACK == 1
> > > > #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
> > > > #endif
> > > > #endif /* SOLARIS2 */
> > > >
> > > > procfs.h is the header file that contains the proc data structures, but
> > > > it has an #error if compiled in 32 bit mode and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS is
> > > > 64.
> > > > emacs/src/config.in will define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS to 64 when compiled on
> > > > a 32 bit solaris system. Hence the above hackery.
> > >
> > > Can this hackery be moved to a Solaris-specific header file in src/s/ ?
> >
> > That file is included everywhere, so it might not be a good idea at this point.
>
> It's just too ugly, so if there's a good place to hide it out of
> sight, I'd be happier.
I'll put it in sysdep.c just before the Solaris specific
system_process_attributes implementation.
> > How does this sound:
> > - move the procfs_list_system_processes and procfs_system_process_attributes to sysdep.c
> > - remove the procfs_ prefix
> > - add the proper #defines (HAVE_PROCFS can probably be used by a few OSes)
> > - the default implementations just return Qnil
> > - make Fsystem_process_attributes and Flist_system_processes just call
> > list_system_processes and system_process_attributes
> > - rename the w32 versions to system_process_attributes and list_system_processes
> > - remove the PROCATTR and LISTPROC macros
> > ?
>
> Sounds good to me.
Thanks. Done. I can't test on MSWindows, but hopefully didn't break anything.
I'll add the Solaris changes in the next step.
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-19 8:48 ` Miles Bader
@ 2008-12-19 19:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-20 3:40 ` Miles Bader
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2008-12-19 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Miles Bader; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel
Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
> Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
> > How does this sound:
> > - move the procfs_list_system_processes and procfs_system_process_attributes to sysdep.c
> > - remove the procfs_ prefix
> > - add the proper #defines (HAVE_PROCFS can probably be used by a few OSes)
> > - the default implementations just return Qnil
> > - make Fsystem_process_attributes and Flist_system_processes just call
> > list_system_processes and system_process_attributes
> > - rename the w32 versions to system_process_attributes and list_system_processes
> > - remove the PROCATTR and LISTPROC macros
> > ?
>
> ... and while you're at it, rename Fsystem_process_attributes to
> "Fprocess_attributes" and make it also accept emacs process objects as
> an argument, ala signal-process.
Sounds good to me, but I'd rather let someone else do those changes.
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-19 19:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
@ 2008-12-20 3:40 ` Miles Bader
2008-12-20 3:50 ` Dan Nicolaescu
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Miles Bader @ 2008-12-20 3:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Nicolaescu; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel
Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
> > ... and while you're at it, rename Fsystem_process_attributes to
> > "Fprocess_attributes" and make it also accept emacs process objects as
> > an argument, ala signal-process.
>
> Sounds good to me, but I'd rather let someone else do those changes.
I actually started to make such a patch, but I think I'll wait until
you're finished with your current changes, as the code obviously
overlaps.
-miles
--
Innards, n. pl. The stomach, heart, soul, and other bowels.
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-20 3:40 ` Miles Bader
@ 2008-12-20 3:50 ` Dan Nicolaescu
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2008-12-20 3:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Miles Bader; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel
Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
> Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
> > > ... and while you're at it, rename Fsystem_process_attributes to
> > > "Fprocess_attributes" and make it also accept emacs process objects as
> > > an argument, ala signal-process.
> >
> > Sounds good to me, but I'd rather let someone else do those changes.
>
> I actually started to make such a patch, but I think I'll wait until
> you're finished with your current changes, as the code obviously
> overlaps.
Go ahead, I'm done.
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* Re: implement Solaris support for system-process-attributes and list-system-processes
2008-12-19 19:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
@ 2008-12-20 12:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2008-12-20 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Nicolaescu; +Cc: emacs-devel
> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:51:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Thanks. Done. I can't test on MSWindows, but hopefully didn't break anything.
Works for me on MS-Windows, thanks.
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