From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug in server-start Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:28:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <200812161928.mBGJSQo1004840@mothra.ics.uci.edu> References: <18758.7352.558182.931572@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200812161601.mBGG1dqw004070@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161615.mBGGFFto004218@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161631.mBGGV86i004284@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161700.mBGH0n8x004355@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161851.mBGIp6Ax004767@mothra.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229455748 21441 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 19:29:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ulrich Mueller , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Nick Roberts , Stefan Monnier To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 20:30:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCfcI-0004qM-18 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:30:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfb5-0006jr-TU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfb0-0006gX-IU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfb0-0006g4-1x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58173 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfaz-0006g1-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:41 -0500 Original-Received: from barrelv2.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.114]:55684) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCfaz-0003J4-B7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBGJSQFU021215; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:28:26 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: (from dann@localhost) by mothra.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id mBGJSQo1004840; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:28:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:00:29 +0100") Original-Lines: 45 X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: mBGJSQFU021215 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:106980 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 19:51, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > > > Again, can you please point out where exactly I said that the message > > you cited was not confusing??? > > You didn't exactly said that, of course. Then PLEASE STOP making statements about what I said when that is clearly not true. For the record, I do think that this is unhelpful: (display-warning 'server (format "Server %S is already running" server-name)) Given that the 23.1 behavior is different than what happened before, this will not help users easily find out what is wrong. > You said that the message in > server.el was confusing, and that you supported adding the server name > to the error message when the user passed it explicitly. I assumed > that you meant that you don't think the message is confusing when the > user has passed the server name. Apparently what you mean is that when > the user passes the server name, the error message will sometimes be > confusing, but you don't care because the user gets what he asked for. > > > You haven't yet given any explanation why not. > > Yes, I've done it: I've said that I think error messages should be > informative, and that knowing the server name is useful IMHO. Perhaps > you don't use multiple servers, or if you do, you don't use the > default "server". PLEASE STOP making statements here about what I do or do not, when you have no information to support your suppositions. Thank you. > AFAICS, your explanation of why you oppose this is "Most users won't > know, nor care about that", which is a generalization, too. You > don't know what most users know or care, any more than I do. There's a strong hint in the fact that server-name is a defvar with no docstring (not a defcustom). I designed --daemon to be very easy to use, I want the error messages to be easy to understand/debug too.