From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: files.el: Patch to make project-settings optional/customizable Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:27:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <200811191327.mAJDRxS0005450@mothra.ics.uci.edu> References: <5f0ff9220811130629t505badf9kb1bcc380df89a08f@mail.gmail.com> <200811131619.mADGJukm010206@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <87prkz4kgh.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <200811131728.mADHSH2M010654@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <871vxflbxb.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <200811131848.mADImPMQ011099@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200811181636.mAIGa9Lx000571@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <87prks6693.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1227101317 32753 80.91.229.12 (19 Nov 2008 13:28:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Juanma Barranquero , Tom Tromey , emacs-devel@gnu.org, "T.V. Raman" To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 19 14:29:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L2n7Z-00052x-3M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:29:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59437 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L2n6Q-0005CB-Be for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:28:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L2n6K-00057s-4P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L2n6J-00056c-Cn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:28:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34444 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L2n6J-00056A-4c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:28:11 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.120]:49845) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L2n6I-0002D1-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:28:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mAJDS1hn025874; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: (from dann@localhost) by mothra.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id mAJDRxS0005450; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:27:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:01:37 -0500") Original-Lines: 25 X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: mAJDS1hn025874 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105816 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > >> If you want to change .dir-settings.el, the say so and re-open the > >> discussion about the choice. But making it customizable is wrong. > > > Re-opening the discussion is wrong; it was already discussed and some > > consensus reached ( > > > Making it user-settable (perhaps, as Chong says, as a variable and not > > a defcustom) is best than trying to second-guess the users. > > Do you advocate making "Local Variables:" in hack-local-variables > customizable as well? If you think one deserves customization, then I'd > argue that the other deserves it just as well. > > As far as I can tell, the only reason people want to customize it is > because they find the default choice ugly. I.e. for purely aesthetic > reasons. This is a pretty poor justification for introducing complexity > and incompatibilities between projects. > > Until someone gives me a good argument for why it should be customizable > (as opposed to having just a different value), we should revert the > patch that made it a defcustom. Done.