From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:25:03 +0100 Organization: GNU's Not UNIX! Message-ID: <200811092325.mA9NP34G004081@zogzog.maillard.mobi> References: <200811050725.mA57P6hM028086@zogzog.maillard.mobi> Reply-To: Xavier Maillard , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226274630 9061 80.91.229.12 (9 Nov 2008 23:50:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: "Jason Spiro" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 10 00:51:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KzK42-0002dv-5p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:51:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48724 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzK2u-0008P8-42 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:50:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzK2o-0008Nd-5o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:50:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzK2n-0008NK-9s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:50:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47623 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzK2n-0008N2-4Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:50:13 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:57305) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzK2l-00048I-OF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:50:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA9No61e001376; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:50:09 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mA9Ne6b3031358; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:40:06 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Xavier Maillard Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:40:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.122627352829896 (code B ref 1305); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:40:06 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 9 Nov 2008 23:32:08 +0000 Original-Received: from master.uucpssh.org (master.uucpssh.org [193.218.105.66]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA9NW4Pf029880 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:32:05 -0800 Original-Received: by master.uucpssh.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 48B17F4275; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:27:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zogzog.maillard.mobi (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA9NP44T004082; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:25:04 +0100 Original-Received: (from xma@localhost) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id mA9NP34G004081; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:25:03 +0100 In-reply-to: (jasonspiro4@gmail.com) User-Agent: Rmail in GNU Emacs 23.0.60.12 on GNU/Linux Jabber-ID: xma01@jabber.fr X-uucpssh: Found to be clean X-uucpssh-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.351, required 4.6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-uucpssh-From: xma@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:50:13 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22246 Archived-At: Hi Xavier, Re. users with vision loss: They need a screen reader (Emacspeak provides that) or a magnifier utility. But why do they also need beep-on-error? What if the screen reader is not working correctly ? The visible bell could be used to check that something, at least, is working. Regards Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org