From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:34:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <200811062334.mA6NYLB6012009@mothra.ics.uci.edu> References: Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226015427 3717 80.91.229.12 (6 Nov 2008 23:50:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Jason Spiro Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 00:51:30 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyEdI-0001Be-Nd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:51:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57702 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyEcB-0003e8-8j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:50:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyEc8-0003dk-7d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:50:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyEc7-0003dE-H6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42423 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyEc7-0003d9-47 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:57213) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyEc5-0000fI-KH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyEc4-0003j9-Kg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:50:08 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA6No5qU016928; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:50:05 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mA6Ne4eg014516; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:40:04 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:40:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.122601447513201 (code B ref 1305); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:40:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Nov 2008 23:34:35 +0000 Original-Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (sallyv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.120]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA6NYXeJ013194 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:34:34 -0800 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mA6NYLkZ023177; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:34:21 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: (from dann@localhost) by mothra.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id mA6NYLB6012009; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:34:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Jason Spiro's message of "Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:51:13 -0500") Original-Lines: 30 X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: mA6NYLkZ023177 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:50:11 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22194 Archived-At: "Jason Spiro" writes: > By default, Emacs makes an audible beep every time the user makes an > error. It would be great if you could please change the default > either: > > 1. To not make any audible or visible bell when the user makes an > error. (This would be best.) > > 2. Or to use a visible bell only. (This would be an acceptable > alternative. Plus, Emacs already knows how to show a visible bell.) > > If you do not change the default, some Emacs newbies may decide not to > use Emacs, but to use other editors instead, perhaps non-Free ones. > Here are three reasons why they may decide that: > > A. Some users find that the beep is harsh and unpleasant to the ear. > > B. Most apps beep only when something very bad happens. But Emacs > beeps even upon minor mistakes like scrolling past end of buffer, or > pressing an unassigned key. It even beeps on non-mistakes like > pressing C-g. The amount of beeping may make users uncomfortable. > > C. Some Emacs newbies try Emacs for the first time at the office. At > the office, ten or more people may hear each beep. The feeling of > having distracted coworkers may make users even more uncomfortable. FWIW, I find the beep annoying and useless too. I disable it in .emacs, but every time I have to use emacs -Q to debug something it gets on my nerves....