From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:32:28 +0000 Message-ID: <20081106163228.GA2948@muc.de> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <107214be-5812-4519-bc29-a52f391f09a3@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225988827 29327 80.91.229.12 (6 Nov 2008 16:27:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 06 17:28:10 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ky7iD-0003fJ-Qo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:28:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60055 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ky7h6-0003Bk-Hz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ky7c4-00015n-Od for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:21:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ky7c3-00015V-37 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:21:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46874 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ky7c2-00015S-SG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:21:38 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:3810 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ky7c2-0002er-Ph for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:21:39 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 39892 invoked by uid 3782); 6 Nov 2008 16:21:34 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E518E8.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.24.232]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:21:25 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 8364 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Nov 2008 16:32:28 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <107214be-5812-4519-bc29-a52f391f09a3@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59509 Archived-At: A happy post-USA-election day to you, Xah! On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 06:31:02AM -0800, Xah wrote: > 2008-11-06 > On Nov 4, 11:25 pm, Xavier Maillard wrote: > > Like Chris told, I do not like to leave the "home keys" when typing. > > My fingers know where to go with few movements and by trying to > > decrease the risk to get a RSI. That's what matter the most for me. I > > do not type with my 10 fingers but only 6 and I feel very comfortable > > like that. > you don't touch type? I think, by his description, he does. "Touch type" meaning "not having to look at the keyboard to type". > it pisses me when programers don't touch type. ... amongst quite a lot of other things which piss you off, too. > it is bizarre that these tech geekers get hotheaded in geeking forums > about what keybindings should or should not be. :-) > like, i spent years thought about issues, such as modernization of > emacs's interface, its keyboard shortcuts, its terminology ... then > when i expressed these opinions thru detailed essays of few thousand > words each, with examples, photos, reference sources, a throng of tech > geekers think i'm a troll or my opinions are absolutely stupid ... ... No! Who on earth would think that? ;-) > in the past year, i changed my newsgroup behavior so that i actually > try to reply to every message, then i came to realize thru > individualistic discussions, that they never used Windows, never used > Mac, which together are some 96% of world's computers emacs runs on, > but they insist that emacs UI should be this or that. They don't touch > type, but insist emacs keybindings should be this or that, none of > them actually have basic knowledge in the field of user interface or > human machine interface ... all you hear them say is basically ???emacs > should not dumb down??? (whatever that means) or ???emacs is not > MicrosoftWord??? (What the ... is Microsoft?). Well, this "tech geeker", me (who is possibly your biggest fan amongst all "tech geekers" ;-), does indeed touch type. He has also used various versions of MS Windows extensively, and has dabbled on a Mac from time to time. > ------------ > y'know, it's weired, when u work in a day job, and sometimes you go > over with colleagues and noticed that they dont touch type, you try > very hard to pretend that you noticed nothing, and you wanted to laugh > out loud with gasps, but can't. Yes, it can make one feel so nauseatingly superior, can't it? > in fact, thinking about this from my personal experience of on and off > working in the IT industry as day jobs since 1995, _majority_ of > professional programers don't touch type. Thinking about it, it's quite > ridiculous. Indeed. But somehow, they get their jobs done. Can't imagine how, myself. Maybe hunt-and-peck typing isn't that bad after all. > A programer celebrity, Steve Yegge (author of js2 javascript mode), > recently pulled his windpipe on programers who don't know how to touch > type. Check it out: > http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/09/programmings-dirtiest-little-secret.html > that thing is what, 10 thousand words? LOL. He's more verbose than me. Good grief! I hadn't thought that possible, but you're right. ;-) > Who are you Xavier Maillard? I assume you are a emacs developer, and i > think you probably used emacs for 5 or 10 or more years? Well, Xah, one thing to consider is that help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org is moderated. It might just possibly be that Xavier is one of the moderators. Should that be the case, it could be to your advantage to be nice to him. In fact, it could be beneficial for you to keep your posts moderate enough that intervention by a moderator isn't required. ;-) > if you are so inclined, let's meet in Second Life. I'm Xah Toll > inworld. And you wonder why people think of you as a troll, with a mnemonic like that. ;-) > Best, And the best to you too, sir! > Xah -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).