From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:25:06 +0100 Organization: GNU's Not UNIX! 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Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:27:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zogzog.maillard.mobi (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA57PB7s028093; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:25:11 +0100 Original-Received: (from xma@localhost) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id mA57P6hM028086; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:25:06 +0100 In-reply-to: (jasonspiro4@gmail.com) User-Agent: Rmail in GNU Emacs 23.0.60.12 on GNU/Linux Jabber-ID: xma01@jabber.fr X-uucpssh: Found to be clean X-uucpssh-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.347, required 4.6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-uucpssh-From: xma@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:50:11 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22182 Archived-At: Hi, I do not think it is a good idea to change this. You know, GNU Emacs is also used by visually impaired and blind users and we *must* satisfy these user class too. It is not a matter of newbiness. Plus, resetting this setting is covered by many howto and resources over the Internet so it should be pretty easy to disable it for any user. After that, if users prefer not to use emacs for such thing, that's okay, go and choose another editor. Any user for any editor should just RTFM when they start using it. I guess this is an universal requirement when starting to use any software; emacs is no exception. Regards Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org