From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:25:24 +0100 Organization: GNU's Not UNIX! Message-ID: <200811032325.mA3NPOmX009170@zogzog.maillard.mobi> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <200811031125.mA3BPPZu024539@zogzog.maillard.mobi> <878ws1q95a.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Xavier Maillard NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225862980 28633 80.91.229.12 (5 Nov 2008 05:29:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, xahlee@gmail.com To: Paul R Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 05 06:30:42 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxayX-0002Yz-4p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:30:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51138 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxaxP-0007eg-RP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:29:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kxax5-0007eE-PK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:29:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kxax5-0007e0-26 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:29:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57276 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kxax4-0007dX-Lj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:29:10 -0500 Original-Received: from master.uucpssh.org ([193.218.105.66]:49213) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kxax4-0001yL-Oh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:29:11 -0500 Original-Received: by master.uucpssh.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 03B4EF52D2; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:27:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zogzog.maillard.mobi (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA3NPPnl009171; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:25:25 +0100 Original-Received: (from xma@localhost) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id mA3NPOmX009170; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:25:24 +0100 In-reply-to: <878ws1q95a.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Paul R on Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:36:01 +0100) User-Agent: Rmail in GNU Emacs 23.0.60.12 on GNU/Linux Jabber-ID: xma01@jabber.fr X-uucpssh: Found to be clean X-uucpssh-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.352, required 4.6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-uucpssh-From: xma@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59452 Archived-At: Dear Xavier, Xavier> What's more, directional keys are one of the dumbest addition Xavier> one could have thought off (in my opinion). The same apply for Xavier> numerical keypad: what are they useful for exactly ? Is it that Xavier> hard to press shift+& (for the azerty keyboard) to get a 1 ? Or Xavier> press C-b to move point left ? I do not think so. Xavier> The real reason that comes to mind is lazyness. People do not Xavier> want to (take time to) learn how to do things, they want to go Xavier> fast (even if they go fast wrongly). Keyboard (or typing more Xavier> generally) is just an example, there are so many other applying Xavier> here... This sounds sooo much like overstated elitism. You may prefer to use C-b and C-f and S-&, because you're so good and so l33t, this will never change the point : beginners don't, period. Default settings must help those people, who have not yet set their .emacs, to use and try the software and see if they like it or not. You do not agree; no need to tell me what I did not say. I just speak of HABITS. There is no elitism (voluntary or not) in saying that I do not use directional keys because a) I am not used to, b) they are not located to an easy and accessible place and c) because "oldies" are much more pleasant for me to type. As told, "end of digression for me" (for real now). Anyway, we won't agree since you are seing a flame/agression where there is not. Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org