From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:25:25 +0100 Organization: GNU's Not UNIX! Message-ID: <200811031125.mA3BPPZu024539@zogzog.maillard.mobi> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: Xavier Maillard NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225711846 10576 80.91.229.12 (3 Nov 2008 11:30:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 03 12:31:46 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kwxer-0000SE-88 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:31:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50519 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kwxdk-0006Mw-BB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:30:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KwxbD-0005my-Va for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:28:00 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KwxbD-0005mm-4R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:27:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56596 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KwxbC-0005me-S0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:27:58 -0500 Original-Received: from master.uucpssh.org ([193.218.105.66]:53211) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KwxbC-0001V4-98 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:27:58 -0500 Original-Received: by master.uucpssh.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id AEDD1F571E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:27:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zogzog.maillard.mobi (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA3BPPG1024540; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:25:25 +0100 Original-Received: (from xma@localhost) by zogzog.maillard.mobi (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id mA3BPPZu024539; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:25:25 +0100 In-reply-to: <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> (message from Xah on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:38:37 -0700 (PDT)) User-Agent: Rmail in GNU Emacs 23.0.60.12 on GNU/Linux Jabber-ID: xma01@jabber.fr X-uucpssh: Found to be clean X-uucpssh-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (SpamAssassin rebuilding) X-uucpssh-From: xma@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59375 Archived-At: in perhaps early 1990s, some keyboards do not have the arrow keys, or that some applications (in particular, terminal applications) do not necessarily support physical arrow keys by default. Today, i think more than 99.999% keyboards and applications support the physical arrows keys by default. The availablity of arrow keys i think is pretty much standard by mid 1990s, and their support in applications including term emulators is probably standard by 2000. At work, I still have oldies that still do not support these keys. What's more, directional keys are one of the dumbest addition one could have thought off (in my opinion). The same apply for numerical keypad: what are they useful for exactly ? Is it that hard to press shift+& (for the azerty keyboard) to get a 1 ? Or press C-b to move point left ? I do not think so. The real reason that comes to mind is lazyness. People do not want to (take time to) learn how to do things, they want to go fast (even if they go fast wrongly). Keyboard (or typing more generally) is just an example, there are so many other applying here... End of digression for me. Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org