From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#737: vc-dir reports unregistered-then-deleted file is "up-to-date" Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <200810090452.m994qaCG015034@mothra.ics.uci.edu> References: <18600.37952.844941.609726@rgrjr.rgrjr.dyndns.org> <200810040538.m945cRWl025789@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200810050104.m9514rDt028153@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200810050224.m952OBGw028267@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200810060033.m960X1L9001223@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <5vprmemb3k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <200810060753.m967rsdr002713@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <18665.54888.18653.725178@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 737@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1223529018 492 80.91.229.12 (9 Oct 2008 05:10:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 737@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 09 07:11:15 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Knnnv-00063m-0Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:11:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59085 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Knnmq-0007bK-UR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Knnmk-0007av-Cy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Knnmi-0007af-Gz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:10:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36400 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Knnmi-0007ac-5Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:10:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:47719) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Knnmh-0001ah-N6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:10:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9959v2e011974; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:09:57 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m995020W008910; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:00:02 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 737 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 737-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B737.12235279727682 (code B ref 737); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 737) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 9 Oct 2008 04:52:52 +0000 Original-Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (sallyv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.120]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m994qnbd007676 for <737@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:52:50 -0700 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m994qb54017389; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: (from dann@localhost) by mothra.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id m994qaCG015034; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:52:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:43:30 -0400") Original-Lines: 34 X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: m994qb54017389 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:10:01 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:21312 Archived-At: It's s very sad, but I have to remind you that this was not done the proper way: this code has a clear author and an active maintainer, usually it's nice to ask about making changes to such code. That has not happened, the onus to ask and motivate changes is on the person that makes changes. Changing defaults that actually take functionality away is not a good idea, even a worse idea during a feature freeze. >From the discussion here, there's no sign that there was any analysis of the consequences to the end user and ease of use of changing the defaults. So given that I wrote the code in question, and the package that uses it, I will add a new defcustom to control this behavior, and make the default be like before your change. Glenn Morris writes: > Nick Roberts wrote: > > > (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-06/msg00239.html) > From reading that thread, it seems to me that this discussion has > already happened, and that the current behaviour is the one Stefan > wants, so I'll defer to him. What Stefan wanted was predicated by the existence of a vc-pull function to balance for not being able to see the status of the remote files. Such a function does not exist, and it probably won't during the feature freeze. Yes, he does have the authority to override anyone, but I hope he will be a bit more tactful in using that power.